hey neff you stole my trick, lol. that was the trick i was talking about. unfortuanitly i did not post my video of it before you did. good job though. i now can land the tops successfully after rolling into the 3 beat mgr. i guess tomorrow i will have to make a video of it with the tops landing in my hands. the trick is not that hard, as long as you dont hit your arms with the tops as you are swinging them.