Thanks John, that was already a lot help. Just to clear things up a bit, your finger does not actually slide along the string at all, but rather you sort of hook it and rotate it around the top? Haha this is very hard trick to describe in writing lol. And this can be done with either a fixed tip or a bearing tip, just like a merry go round right? And im sure Ta0's video would be of much help, but none of the advanced compulsory trick videos are working for me either :/