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Title: Can't catch the top.
Post by: Jim on July 14, 2012, 08:37:24 PM
My son and I are new at tossing Tops. We have done a few ground tricks and they rock.
We have not been able to really catch them.
We have cut the strings to our lengths to our shoulders. And tried tossing them laterally -ish and horizontally -ish.

But they either give us black eyes or go off in funny directions.
Can anyone give us some tips?
Title: Re: Can't catch the top.
Post by: the Earl of Whirl on July 14, 2012, 09:27:22 PM
Yea!  Welcome to the black eye club.  You are officially one of us, now.

We have people here who like different lengths of string.  Sometimes that "to the shoulder thing" works.  Sometimes it is not so good.  Your height is not the best factor to determine string length.  Is the top turning over and getting close to landing on the tip on the ground?
Title: Re: Can't catch the top.
Post by: kevinm on July 14, 2012, 09:48:21 PM
hey jim,
welcome to the forum.
if you are able to throw the top to the ground and it is landing upright, all you have to do is work on is how much to pull back on the string before the top releases. it is almost the same motion as throwing the top down to the ground, just work on pulling straight back, in the opposite direction, and do it gently until you see how much effort it takes to get the top back to about where you hand is.
you don't have to pull back until the top is near the end of the string, it sounds like maybe you are pulling back too soon or too hard. what are you throwing? the heavier the top, the more effort it takes. on the lighter plastic tops, it's really a pretty gentle motion to get it to your hand.
good luck! keep practicing, it'll come to you.
Title: Re: Can't catch the top.
Post by: Watts' Tops on July 14, 2012, 10:02:53 PM
Just a word of encouragement.  I spent 4 hours straight trying before having the top land in my hand.  I had a big headache by that time but kept at it. It was really rewarding when it happened.  That was about 51 years ago. 
It is the gentle snap back when the top reaches the end of the string and soft catch like catching a baseball.  Give with the top and sometimes use your thumb as a bang board.  Check out some of the videos on this web site.  They should help a lot. :D
Title: Re: Can't catch the top.
Post by: Jim on July 14, 2012, 10:27:08 PM
We are spinning One spintastic(bearing top).
And we have 2 plastic duncan's.


Jim
Title: Re: Can't catch the top.
Post by: Larry D. on July 14, 2012, 10:41:03 PM
Welcome to the Forum Jim!

Here is a slow motion video which might help?

spintop boomelang????? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gMQS17ZmvE#)

Stick with it.  :)
Title: Re: Can't catch the top.
Post by: ta0 on July 15, 2012, 01:53:22 AM
My guess is the same as Kevin's: you are probably pulling too early.
Title: Re: Can't catch the top.
Post by: jim in paris on July 15, 2012, 04:28:45 AM
hello Jim

my tips
1 check the string length : for a blizzard it should be around 65 inches
2 cover your top with sticky tape , it will be protected from major crashes while learning
3 like my fellow forum members, i'd advise you to pull back as late as possible

happy spinning  8)

jim
Title: Re: Can't catch the top.
Post by: Kirk on July 15, 2012, 02:33:59 PM
I caught my first boomerang last week!  What a thrill.  I found that a really smooth wind is important. Any imperfections (especially at the tip) will make the top go nuts.
The slow motion video is great.  More of them would be a great help to new guys like me.
Now, if I can only learn to keep the top upright in my hand....

Kirk
Title: Re: Can't catch the top.
Post by: kevinm on July 15, 2012, 04:49:39 PM
Now, if I can only learn to keep the top upright in my hand....

Kirk

that is the fun part!
after playing with yoyos for years, getting the hang of catching and balancing a top is so wildly different, it is really chaotic compared to the way you yoyo (hopefully).
tops seem really alive. keep at it and you will get it quickly. Neff has some good tips on that if you search around on the site.
Title: Re: Can't catch the top.
Post by: Watts' Tops on July 15, 2012, 10:18:26 PM
Another tip from Watts' Tops.
When I was learning to balance the top in my hand--I watched the top on the floor.  It would go around in circles getting smaller and smaller and finally stand up in one spot.  It did not need me to help it.  From this I made my hand like the floor. I provided a platform for the top to go around in circles by moving my had in the same direction as the top was going.  Being left handed that was clockwise.  By going faster than the floor, the top would stand up faster.  Slower, it would lay down.  Sounds sort of silly but it worked.  Now of course, it is so automatic that I do not think about it.
Title: Re: Can't catch the top.
Post by: ta0 on July 16, 2012, 10:00:31 AM
Kirk: congratulations on you first boomerang and welcome to the forum! 
One question: are you throwing by any chance a Duncan Ripcord or Bearing King with the original string?  I am asking because a string that is too short will explain:
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found that a really smooth wind is important. Any imperfections (especially at the tip) will make the top go nuts.
With the correct string length you can throw hard and the top is forgiving.

Walt: that is a great visualization of how it works! And if fact, the reason why a top stands up while spinning of the floor is that the rolling of the tip speeds up the precession, the same you are doing by moving your hand.
Title: Re: Can't catch the top.
Post by: Kirk on July 16, 2012, 01:21:03 PM
My main top is a spintastics sidewinder the string is about 5 feet.  It turns over well.  I have just gotten to where I can correct for a while.  After about 4 sec the top goes wild, wobbling at a rate too fast to correct for.  I think I may be over correcting and inducing the wobble.

Speaking of short strings,  I got 6 Imperials for a church family fun night. Each had a different length string. One was only 3 feet long!  Only 1 of the 6 was long enough to turn the top. :-( IMO  Duncan's Chinese vendor is saving a few cents and Duncan is frustrating new top throwers into giving up tops.  Sad.

Kirk
Title: Re: Can't catch the top.
Post by: Gustin Joss on July 16, 2012, 03:52:08 PM
My main top is a spintastics sidewinder the string is about 5 feet.  It turns over well.  I have just gotten to where I can correct for a while.  After about 4 sec the top goes wild, wobbling at a rate too fast to correct for.  I think I may be over correcting and inducing the wobble.

Speaking of short strings,  I got 6 Imperials for a church family fun night. Each had a different length string. One was only 3 feet long!  Only 1 of the 6 was long enough to turn the top. :-( IMO  Duncan's Chinese vendor is saving a few cents and Duncan is frustrating new top throwers into giving up tops.  Sad.

Kirk

Ha! An unbiased observation supporting my argument.
Title: Re: Can't catch the top.
Post by: Jim on July 16, 2012, 11:08:05 PM
I should be able to catch it soon. I have got it in my hands a few times this weekend. I will try angling it down a bit see if I get more success.

Jim
Title: Re: Can't catch the top.
Post by: Kirk on July 16, 2012, 11:16:50 PM
Go Jim Go!
Title: Re: Can't catch the top.
Post by: ta0 on July 16, 2012, 11:29:08 PM
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I got 6 Imperials for a church family fun night. Each had a different length string. One was only 3 feet long!  Only 1 of the 6 was long enough to turn the top. :-(
3 feet?  ??? SHAME DUNCAN!  >:(

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My main top is a spintastics sidewinder the string is about 5 feet.
Five feet works but it is on the short side.  Did you cut the original string? Try a few more inches and see if you can throw harder. The ideal string length depends on the top model and the throwing technique, but not on the height of the player.
Title: Re: Can't catch the top.
Post by: Watts' Tops on July 17, 2012, 02:43:58 PM
You might be living near enough to someone on this board to get some hands on instruction.  Might check that out. ???
Title: Re: Can't catch the top.
Post by: Neff on July 17, 2012, 06:38:43 PM
We have cut the strings to our lengths to our shoulders.
Did you do that because you saw that on How to Be a Player Volume 2? 
If so, Steve Brown and I owe you an apology, the instructions are incorrect.
Title: Re: Can't catch the top.
Post by: Kirk on July 19, 2012, 12:07:56 AM
Ha! An unbiased observation supporting my argument.
Is you argument that I am over correcting or that Duncan is shooting themselves in the foot? :)
    I caught a few tops while waiting to pick up a friend at the airport.  I am up to about 1 catch in 10 or so.  I am starting to get the hang of balancing on my hand.
Has anyone any thoughts for how to get the top more vertical?  I am getting good turning over on the axis of the string but the point is aiming at me. Sometimes a lot.
Thanks
Kirk
Title: Re: Can't catch the top.
Post by: Neff on July 23, 2012, 11:56:56 PM
A longer string would help, otherwise it may be something with your grip, your release, or your pull.  Hard to know without seeing it in person... video?
Title: Re: Can't catch the top.
Post by: Kirk on August 05, 2012, 03:16:39 PM
You might be living near enough to someone on this board to get some hands on instruction.  Might check that out. ???
Any Spinners in Atlanta?
Catching 1 in 5 now (not much time to practice lately)
Title: Re: Can't catch the top.
Post by: Dick Stohr on August 06, 2012, 11:49:11 AM
You need to get in touch with Bob Rule.  I will send you a msg with contact info.
Title: Re: Can't catch the top.
Post by: Kirk on August 07, 2012, 12:28:34 AM
I just caught 22 out of 50! (inspired after watching Olympics)
Kirk
Title: Re: Can't catch the top.
Post by: the Earl of Whirl on August 07, 2012, 09:31:08 AM
Go Kirk!  Great progress and I like the way you are monitoring that progress.  Some people hate counting like that but I have always found it very informative.  And it can better show even slight bits of improvement (plus I like the fun challenge).

Looking forward to your next report about 23 or more out of 50.