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[Daveid]

(until i get a better computer i'm only going to use the hidef on rare occasions)

does this look right to you? am i doing this correctly? is this all this is? i recognize that i'm not done with it, i just mean that if this is right, then why did it take me so long to get past two rotations, because seriously, i couldn't get past one and a half rotations two days ago...


and then this other thing i've been playing with, does this have a name? it's sort of a sewing machine where you don't let go of the string with your non-throw hand... makes me feel like the top is jumping rope... Mr. Neff, this is what i was trying to describe to you (my record at this point is six repetitions with the string at full reach and 19 at about three quarters reach) :

[Neff]

Immabout to get on a plane, but ~ the suns look great, a few more days and it will be the easiest trick you know.  Your stretch catch is way cool - I gotta try that when I get off this plane

[poptop]

Looks dead right to me.

Sweet new move --sort of a laso-whip thing?

Great to see you make new vids Daveid--we love 'em!

[Larry D.]

Daveid, that is a cool move!
Thanks for posting the videos.

[Neff]

wait - is tip toward you or away in that first video?

[Daveid]

Neff said:

is tip toward you or away in that first video?

the point is pointing towards me for about the upper half of the rotation.


Poptop said:

sort of a laso-whip thing?

yeah sort of, i'm wondering how close to a ghost catch it is, i'm wondering, if a ghost catch were comparable to a one handed lasso, is this comparable to a normal lasso? anyways, pumping is made necessary for regeneration because it doesn't roll down the string, it's sort of a jarring catch when it lands on the string and if it's not spinning fast enough it bounces out accidentally quite often.

[ta0]

the point is pointing towards me for about the upper half of the rotation.

It is generally done with the tip pointing way from you on the upper part of the sun. The arm movements look pretty close, though.

I believe there is a style of tricks in yo-yoing in which they use a relaxed string, "catching air", but I don't recall the name. It surely gives the trick difficulty and flair, as long as the string is easily visible. A possible name: Air Bender.
Chris attempted your rolling hand start with a big top on his freestyle. I need to try it with a regular top.
Wonderful to see you back and active, Dave!

[Daveid]

ta0 said:

It is generally done with the tip pointing way from you on the upper part of the sun

when i do a sun with a top that is spinning very fast then it's pointing away from me at the highest part of the rotation, but i really don't see how i'm supposed to do several of them in a row if the top isn't going slow enough to precess fast enough to match one precessional rotation to one day (full sun rotation).

....ooooooooo.... i'm so totally thinking of this in terms of day, week, month, and so forth from now on... thus far my best is about a week and two days i think.

hmmm i just lost my train of thought

[poptop]

style of tricks in yo-yoing in which they use a relaxed string

I think they are called slack tricks?

is this comparable to a normal lasso?

It does seem like a lasso in a vertical plane...I got it once last night, aaragh...

[ta0]

I think they are called slack tricks?

Yeah, I think that's it: slack tricks.

but i really don't see how i'm supposed to do several of them in a row if the top isn't going slow enough to precess fast enough to match one precessional rotation to one day (full sun rotation).

Yes, it has to precess one rotation per sun, but he precession does not have to be uniform if the tension of the string on the top is not uniform. You can have little to no tension on the way up (therefore little precession) and then increase the tension on the way down using your left hand (speeding precession).

[Neff]

I think you just found another way to do the same trick 

here's what my suns looked like the day I learned them:



all of the precession happens at the bottom, and very quickly.  everything happens at the bottom; the regeneration, the precession, the end of the previous and start of the next path of the sun.  I am in drumbeat when i start mine, it could be done from sewing machine because half a turn after the catch you are in drumbeat.

[Daveid]

hmm... now i have to figure out how to do the same thing i've been doing except from a drumbeat instead of a sewing machine.

[RunBMC]

Thats weird, I was about to post help on this trick. I have no idea if this is what you guys are saying who need help with this, but my top keeps falling off when i do the trick, I've tried it when the top was spinning fast and spinning slow. Maybe my hand movement isnt right? when im left handed, is the top revolving to the left or right of me? i think its to the right, but im probably wrong.

[Neff]

Run - slower the better.  My guess you haven't tried slow enough yet.

[Daveid]

for the suns, if you're throwing left handed, from your perspective the top is going to be moving around the string counterclockwise... since i throw right handed, from my perspective the top is moving clockwise and from the video camera's perspective it's going counterclockwise...

that may not be very clear...


from the clocks perspective, it's moving it's hands counterclockwise.

[RunBMC]

Run - slower the better.  My guess you haven't tried slow enough yet.

the top spinning slowly or doing the revolution slowly?

[Neff]

top spinning slowly

[Ketzaltlipoka]

wow! that lazada leaving the cord loose loks difficult! nice trick!