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Re: Peg top progress log of ortwin and random questions
« Reply #135 on: October 11, 2022, 02:09:02 PM »

Best of luck with learning to regenerate! No other trick can compare to the feeling of being able to regenerate for the first time.

When I first learned roller coaster, I was using a duncan ripcord which could not regen very well, as a result I could only do around 4 catches before the top would quit spinning. But as soon as I got my hp hornet (spintastics) I was pleased to see I could regenerate as long as I wanted. I would suggest first practicing the motion and the lasso catch with a smaller top, and then progressing to a metal top, or a larger top such as the sweetle.
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Re: Peg top progress log of ortwin and random questions
« Reply #136 on: October 23, 2022, 10:47:41 AM »

Progress: I was just able for the first  time to perform the trick  "Whip".
The top I used was the Sweetle from Chris Neff (string from a Can Cels top).


Having done all the tricks on my list (except the regeneration) at least once, I should focus now on those I did not catch on video yet:
  • around the world
  • lasso
  • trapeze
  • upside down merry go round
  • hop the fence
  • whip
Lasso and whip being the hard ones for me at the moment.
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Re: Peg top progress log of ortwin and random questions
« Reply #137 on: November 02, 2022, 11:53:51 AM »

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You could start with roller coaster from the hand to get the movement right. It's quite more difficult to achieve regen because of the friction from the hand, but once you have the lasso and the pop up pull figured out, you can skip the hand and the regen genie will likely visit you.  ;)
@ta0:
I guess by "roller coaster from the hand" you mean as in the first part of the video below?


https://youtu.be/gP1ZoCZjor0
« Last Edit: November 16, 2022, 04:30:51 PM by ortwin »
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Re: Peg top progress log of ortwin and random questions
« Reply #138 on: November 02, 2022, 09:24:25 PM »


@ta0:
I guess by "roller coaster from the hand" you mean as in the first part of the video below?


https://youtu.be/gP1ZoCZjor0

That is indeed the rollercoaster to hand. In my opinion it's much harder to keep the top going without the lasso, unless you are quite experienced and know how to do the pumping correctly. I struggled personally with the rollercoaster to hand, when I was first learning, and I could only do about 10 reps, while with the lasso I could go indefinitely. It might still be a good idea to learn though, since it can give you a better idea of the motion without the lasso.
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Re: Peg top progress log of ortwin and random questions
« Reply #139 on: November 03, 2022, 03:31:11 PM »

You could also do an intermediate version, in which you land the top on the hand, then pop it in the air and lasso it. It's easier to catch as you have more time to prepare for the lasso.

As Texture said, it's much more difficult to keep going, but you can get practice with the movement before you are consistent with the lasso.
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Re: Peg top progress log of ortwin and random questions
« Reply #140 on: November 03, 2022, 11:21:50 PM »

Wow!  What memories from that video.  Thanks for putting that in this thread.  I watched him over and over and over…..
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Re: Peg top progress log of ortwin and random questions
« Reply #141 on: November 04, 2022, 03:03:06 AM »

Wow!  What memories from that video.  Thanks for putting that in this thread.  I watched him over and over and over…..
?? Huh? I do not quite understand.... For me it is just a random video that shows what I was looking for, shown by somebody I do not know. I found it at spintricks.org .


And the one below shows I think what ta0 would call the  "lasso from hand" as he is suggesting it for the "intermediate version".
I like the method of taking the trick apart giving the possibility of practicing every sub-step by itself. I would not have known how to divide it just from watching the complete roller coaster trick.


https://youtu.be/_yizU75xUHQ
« Last Edit: November 14, 2022, 02:42:11 PM by ortwin »
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Re: Peg top progress log of ortwin and random questions
« Reply #142 on: November 08, 2022, 08:55:24 AM »

Some more questions regarding my journey towards the roller coaster:
  • the "pop up pull" is the (only) part where the actual regeneration is happening, right?
  • the YFF "Short Circuit" is a good top for learning this trick, right?
  • how crucial is it to have the "correct" string for learning to regenerate? Or is it possible that a
    string that works good for me when throwing the top could be less then optimal for regeneration?
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Re: Peg top progress log of ortwin and random questions
« Reply #143 on: November 08, 2022, 09:18:49 AM »

Some more questions regarding my journey towards the roller coaster:
  • the "pop up pull" is the (only) part where the actual regeneration is happening, right?
  • the YFF "Short Circuit" is a good top for learning this trick, right?
  • how crucial is it to have the "correct" string for learning to regenerate? Or is it possible that a
    string that works good for me when throwing the top could be less then optimal for regeneration?

The regeneration is mainly occurring, as the Top travels along the string.


I wouldn't say its the best Top for learning roller coaster, but its not the worst. Having a heavier Top is great for learning regens.


The right string makes a big difference, but you can learn roller coasters with any string. You'll really start to notice string differences later on. Remember, theres no "right" string, theres only the right string for you :)
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Re: Peg top progress log of ortwin and random questions
« Reply #144 on: December 01, 2022, 03:32:59 AM »

Trying to think of all the good tips I got here and in videos on the topic, I continue working on my "Roller Coaster" regeneration.
My main tool is a "Short Circuit" and once in a while the "Sweetle" in fixed tip mode. Maybe it would be better to use mainly the Sweetle, but at this time of year weather asks for indoor practice and in that case our floors ask for plastic tips.
So, progress is very slow, but that was to be expected I guess, judging from all your comments and from what I hear and read on the net.
The best I can do so far, is only two roller coaster rides in a row. The main limitation seems to come from my poor success rate in the "lasso" part of the trick. My success rate for the first lasso after the first "pop up" I would estimate to be about 1/5.
But for the second one only about 1/10.
The difference I account to the fact that I am still very surprised and excited when I really catch the top with the string, that makes the following catch somewhat more unlikely. Multiplying those numbers means that I only succeed in two consecutive roller coasters once when trying 50 times.
But I do not lose the confidence that I can improve further. I am only hoping that it is a skill like riding a bicycle: once acquired it is not easily lost again!

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Re: Peg top progress log of ortwin and random questions
« Reply #145 on: December 01, 2022, 08:58:15 AM »

There is one benefit that comes with perfecting tricks with a small top: when you eventually start using a larger top the tricks will be much easier. I personally like to practice with smaller tops more than larger tops for this reason.
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Re: Peg top progress log of ortwin and random questions
« Reply #146 on: March 22, 2023, 05:39:42 AM »





Another Italian top spinning on that igloo (one year ago: Rocco's top on igloo).

https://youtu.be/ZhSZJu6lnaw


This year I got a good long spin, who knows, maybe next year I can throw it directly to that position  ;) .
That would be a bit more impressive than throwing a boomerang and transferring it to the top of the igloo...........
« Last Edit: March 22, 2023, 05:49:15 AM by ortwin »
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Re: Peg top progress log of ortwin and random questions
« Reply #147 on: May 19, 2023, 03:41:46 PM »

Progress: I just came in from the practice session in which I could do 22 repetitions of the trick "roller coaster" .
The Strummol8 STB (fixed tip of course) was the top I used to do it. Very happy about this goal I reached on the way to acquiring the skill of regeneration! Next I will focus not on counting repetitions, but on regenerating the top to an useful speed that allows me to do some other trick before regenerating again.





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Re: Peg top progress log of ortwin and random questions
« Reply #148 on: June 29, 2023, 04:27:25 AM »

Today I filmed a bit to be able to bring that goals list of mine towards a more fulfilled state and to get some feedback on how I can further improve that lame regeneration.


https://youtu.be/omVft-mdw7k


updated goals list:



green: on video in this thread
red: I have never done it yet
black: done, but no video to prove yet
 

 goals specificly for fixed tip top:
 
  • arm walker
  • wire walker
  • short circuit
  • cable car
  • around the world
  • lasso
  • some type of regeneration (Roller Coaster, Drumbeat, Orbits, Barrel Rolls,
    Sewing Machine)
bearing tip:
 
  • spinner
  • target
  • big scoop
  • sky rocket
  • boomerang
  • boomerang under leg
  • hacky top
  • merry go round
  • pole dancer
  • crazy 8
  • trapeze
  • gyroscopic flop
  • corkscrew
  • mach 5
  • blizzard
  • upside down merry go round
  • hop the fence
  • whip
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Re: Peg top progress log of ortwin and random questions
« Reply #149 on: June 29, 2023, 10:08:17 AM »

Good progress, Orwin!

The roller coaster looks pretty good. Just the height of the pop is a little inconsistent.

It seems you were going to try a whip at the end. The setup was good. On the pop, do a sharp jerk, stop the hand for a fraction of a second to let the tip clear the string, and only then swing the loop of string.

You can learn upside-down MGR and Hop the Fence in an hour if you have the right instructions.
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