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Should the freestyles be live (but at different times) or should they be pre-recorded?

Live
- 1 (10%)
Pre-recorded
- 5 (50%)
No preference
- 4 (40%)

Total Members Voted: 10

Voting closes: July 06, 2020, 10:22:07 PM


Author Topic: World Virtual Spintop Contest 2020?  (Read 189 times)

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World Virtual Spintop Contest 2020?
« on: June 29, 2020, 02:23:00 PM »

As you all know the yoyo/spintop world contest in Budapest has been postponed until 2021.
The idea came up at ITSA to have a virtual contest this year. The four directors and (so far) the ambassadors of France, US, Japan, Mexico and Czech Republic have supported the idea.
The format and all the details, including dates, still have to be sorted out. But there is agreement that having live freestyles, even if not at the same time due to different time zones, is the way to go. Fortunately, most people are now accustomed to communicating with online video (zoom, skype, whatsapp, etc.) so technology won't be a problem. By the way, IJA is doing this for their annual meeting.

The world is going through a very bad situation but we can take this opportunity to have a more inclusive contest where travel and resources will not limit who can compete. In fact, potentially we could have more competitors than ever.
Although the principal objective is to have freestyles for the 2020 world title, other activities and contests are possible. We should be able to have a Sports division, for example.

I start this thread so everybody can contribute with their thoughts and ideas.
« Last Edit: July 01, 2020, 03:31:17 PM by ta0 »
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Re: World Virtual Spintop Contest 2020?
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2020, 06:37:37 PM »

Felicidades buena idea hacer algo sobre todo donde  festivales,encuentros día a día mundo trompos vamos creciendo creo que siempre adaptar a las situaciones que vivimos todos es exlente se concrete el evento ..
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Re: World Virtual Spintop Contest 2020?
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2020, 08:04:11 PM »

I would love to attend this event.
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Re: World Virtual Spintop Contest 2020?
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2020, 08:58:44 PM »

This is a great idea! Unfortunately, I don't consider myself good enough to compete...  :-\
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Re: World Virtual Spintop Contest 2020?
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2020, 10:20:23 PM »

IJA will have its free online festival in July, so we can learn from it.

I think the freestyles have to be recorded live. But somebody suggested pre-recorded freestyles. I think that would be the first thing to decide. I'm putting a poll up so people can give their opinion (but the final decision belongs to ITSA's International Board to which I do not belong).

If the freestyles are live, here is one possibility:

1- During a weekend different time slots are agreed upon between the judges and the registered competitors, according to the part of the world they are at, so it's convenient for everybody.
2- At least one judge will view the freestyle live and interact with the players. He will keep one recording of the freestyle, which will be the official recording.
3- The players will have the option to upload a high definition recording to youtube (within a few hours) that will be approved as official if it matches the live recording.
4- The judges will score the freestyles from the recordings. Not having all judges necessarily view all performances live will facilitate finding time slots.
5- When the technology used allows to have a large number of live viewers, the public will be able to view the performance live.

One of the directors suggested having different divisions: Traditional, fixed and bearing. I think at least a separate traditional division would be good. Another possible separate division could be bigger tops (just throwing it out there for feedback).

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Re: World Virtual Spintop Contest 2020?
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2020, 02:40:26 PM »

One problem I see for the pre-recorded video is that, paradoxically, the pressure on the player is much greater. A long, long time ago, I used to write proposals for competitive grants and, no matter how early I started and how much work I put in, I would end up working to the last conceivable minute before the deadline, as they could always be improved. The same with a freestyle video. Even if you hit your ideal clean routine, there will always be something you can change to make it more difficult to get the extra point that will give you the world title.
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Re: World Virtual Spintop Contest 2020?
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2020, 02:52:22 PM »

I think my only reservation with live video is the inevitable user error and potential for technical error.  I assume we could mostly agree on a single host such as Zoom or Google Meet, but the internet itself is not the most dependable beast. If there is lag, that could affect scores. But really I see potential for excessive down time when players are not ready when it is their turn, and it not being fair to immediately skip to the next person when they thought they had 3 more minutes, and if they are skipped can they come back? For spectators they could come and go but the judges will have to be glued to the feed until all competitors are done. Maybe there will not be that many competitors and I'm sure we could work through it, but I think pre-recorded has potential for being a "cleaner" online event. Judges could judge separately and turn their scores in by a pre-determined deadline.

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Re: World Virtual Spintop Contest 2020?
« Reply #7 on: Today at 02:31:51 AM »

hi all

I first thought that live videos would be the solution,but now I have changed my opinion ,
mainly for the same reasons as Chris :
 imagine getting ready for the live feed and having a technical problem or a moment of lag,
which often happens when many people are connected
in addition , I share the concluding statement :
pre-recorded has potential for being a "cleaner" online event.

cheers

jim

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