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jim in paris

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vintage top
« on: March 04, 2020, 12:02:33 PM »

hello hello

this is a top from Cyril's collection
I was wondering which character was represented here ?

Buffalo Bill Cody ? general Custer ?

any ideas ?

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Re: vintage top
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2020, 12:38:39 PM »

I was wondering which character was represented here ? Buffalo Bill Cody ? general Custer ?

Wonderful top!

If the figure was meant to represent a real person, I think you'll have to try to recognize face in the historical context indicated by the hat and clothing. The equestrian reference doesn't narrow it down much WRT time or place.

In a US context, I associate that garb with our Revolutionary War period and not at all with the Wild West of Cody and Custer. In those days, you might get shot just for wearing that hat.  >:D
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Re: vintage top
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2020, 01:05:05 PM »

That is a wonderful top that I wish I had.

Is it American? My guess is Paul Revere, best known for his midnight ride to alert the approach of British forces in 1775.



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Re: vintage top
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2020, 01:28:51 PM »

My guess is Paul Revere, best known for his midnight ride to alert the approach of British forces in 1775.

I like that! The figure on the top seems to have a beard, but maybe Paul's wife made him shave for the statue sitting.
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Re: vintage top
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2020, 01:32:31 PM »

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Re: vintage top
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2020, 01:49:11 PM »

I thought to the baron of Munchausen

Very good -- and riding a cannon ball no less! Guess you get to do that just once.
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Re: vintage top
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2020, 03:39:54 PM »

Yes!
I'm also going with the baron of Munchausen.
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Re: vintage top
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2020, 05:03:49 PM »



Here's the clip that proves it! Iacopa wins iTopSpin trivia today!
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Re: vintage top
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2020, 05:56:34 PM »

Here's the clip that proves it! Iacopa wins iTopSpin trivia today!

Sold!
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Re: vintage top
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2020, 10:20:02 PM »

Ha! Ha!  Jumping from a cannon ball going in one direction to another going in the opposite direction must be pretty brutal!  >:D  ;D

My first guess would have been that the top was either French, English or German. But I guess from Jim's question that Cyril told him that it was American. Although the 1785 novel is German, it was also very popular this side of the Atlantic, up to the end of the 19th century (and apparently still well known in continental Europe).



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Re: vintage top
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2020, 11:36:23 PM »

thank you gentlemen :!
I hadn't seen the reference to the cannon ball:
 although I had read the book in French (translated by the writer Théophile Gauthier)

very good flair , Iacopo !

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Re: vintage top
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2020, 09:38:53 AM »

There are a lot of sculptures of the baron, but I like this one in Kaliningrad in which you can take his place!



Now that we know who the character is, I would like to talk about the "top". Actually, from the wheel below it looks like it's really a monorail gyro type of toy. How is it started? I see a knob on the side that probably has to do with it. What about the bent wire? Is it a "foot" like in the ballerinas or is something broken?
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Re: vintage top
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2020, 12:20:24 PM »

How is it started? I see a knob on the side that probably has to do with it. What about the bent wire? Is it a "foot" like in the ballerinas or is something broken?

that i don't know, cyril just told me it's a gyroscope with no precision
made in germany


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Re: vintage top
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2020, 01:18:01 PM »

There are a lot of sculptures of the baron, but I like this one in Kaliningrad in which you can take his place!

You'd have to be a widely known and beloved figure to get an expensive permanent public installation like that. And it doesn't even show the Baron. Yet people know exactly what to do with it.

So his cannon ball scene must be a big cultural icon on its own. Where and when was it popularized?

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Re: vintage top
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2020, 02:29:02 PM »

You'd have to be a widely known and beloved figure to get an expensive permanent public installation like that. And it doesn't even show the Baron. Yet people know exactly what to do with it. So his cannon ball scene must be a big cultural icon on its own. Where and when was it popularized?

It's still a popular book, specially as a children's book, in some countries (e.g. Russia). The cannon scene is the most often used in the covers. I now want to read it, but I'll wait an year when hopefully my German will be good enough.

From his Wikipedia page:

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Versions of the fictional Baron have appeared on stage, screen, radio, and television, as well as in other literary works. Though the Baron Munchausen stories are no longer well-known in many English-speaking countries, they are still popular in continental Europe. The character has inspired numerous memorials and museums, and several medical conditions and other concepts are named after him, including Munchausen syndrome, the Münchhausen trilemma, and Munchausen numbers.

The only Munchausen number in base 10 is 3435 = 33+44+33+55
These numbers were named after another of the Baron's famous feats: bootstrapping himself (and his horse) out of trouble by pulling up his own hair  :P
Apparently, the third thing he is famous for is riding a horse cut in half.  :o

Postal stamp from Liechtenstein:




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Re: vintage top
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2020, 04:02:03 PM »

This is an eye opener.  I knew nothing about this Baron character.
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Re: vintage top
« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2020, 03:22:11 AM »

I vaguely remembered him from a old movie, and from a comic strip I read as a child, which translated into english is "Donald Duck of Munchausen":

https://www.comixology.com/Donald-Duck-Von-M%C3%BCnchhausen-1/digital-comic/44527

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Re: vintage top
« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2020, 10:10:04 AM »

Thanks, ta0 and Iacopo!

There's been a great increase lately in the things I know nothing about. Knew of the good Baron before only WRT the syndrome, but seems he's quite the colorful figure.

And now I really want one of those tops.

The character has inspired numerous memorials and museums, and several medical conditions and other concepts are named after him, including Munchausen syndrome, the Münchhausen trilemma, and Munchausen numbers.

As for trilemmas, I'm now struggling over whether to have bacon, sausage, or ham for breakfast. What would von Munchhausen have done in a situation like this?
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