Yep, there definively something up about my quantity of the wraps around my tip... will figure this one out in due time. Now I'd need to take a spinning pause. my right index finger isn't happy ( string burn
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The tricks I do tho is fun to chain in between obits and such
Cheers
I was looking at this vid.. so these are suns.. meaning that what I'm able to do is a 'suns'... I just need to clean it up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOrSBhXl3WAThe thing that still elude me is this post via ta0
My toque is human, even as I, because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weaknesses, its strength, its parts, its accessories, its sights and its barrel. I will keep my toque clean and ready, even as I am clean and ready. We will become part of each other. We will...
Before God, I swear this creed. My toque and I are the defenders of my country. We are the masters of our enemy. We are the saviors of my life.[/size][/i][/b]
hear this 
what the difference between a moose and an Allen wrench ?
reflect
breath
lower your shoulders
look up
stretch
feeling better
answer the devinette
get solar cream(for suns) 
Now that this thread has gone south I can disclose the theory of the Wheel of Fortune and only those really interested will get initiated into its secret. 
To make it easier to describe, imagine a clock face in front of you, 12 on top, 6 at the bottom, 3 to the right (description will be for right-handed players.)
You start by catching the top either trapeze or roller coaster and letting the string wrap on the tip until it points await from you, 1 or 1 1/2 wraps, respectively.
For most of the "circle" (e.g., 8 to 4) the top remains with the tip pointing away from you, without precessing. At the bottom part it precess one turn untwisting the wrap given by the sun and getting ready for the next repetition. For the top not to precess you cannot pull on it. So the top actually describes a (ballistic) parabola on the upper part. Your hands are just following on the opposite side of the apparent circle (they are not at the center of the circle). In fact, you can do non-continuous suns (bastones) by doing just this, waiting at the bottom for the top to precess while feeding the string to prepare for the next pull. I did this for a long time.
To be able to do them continuously you need to start pulling before it reaches the bottom, around 4 o'clock, so it has time to precess (the top cannot be spinning too fast or it won't precess enough anyway). But to be able to do this you need to feed the string between 8 and 4 to be ready for the pull.
So it goes like this: You pull up with your right hand until about 8 or 9. You then just follow the top with minimum pull (the wrap around the tip will be very loose. At the same time you take string with your left hand while feeding with your right hand. At around 4 you start to pull again with your right hand until 8 and repeat.
With practice all these movements become very subtle. The pull between 4 and 6 is actually done by gravity against you hand. The take and feed on the upper section can be achieved by a slight sidewise adjustment of the hand positions. When you get it right it feels like you are just having the top go in circle with no effort.
The key of learning the trick is to involve the left hand. Start to pull with your left after it gets airborne. Exaggerate the movement with your left hand at the beginning. Do this and you will learn it much faster than I did.
The parts that I don't grasp yet is : "You start by catching the top either trapeze or roller coaster and letting the string wrap on the tip until it points await from you, 1 or 1 1/2 wraps, respectively." I think this is the part where suns and wheels of fortunes are different. b/c when I start my sun, I have zero wrap ( as it's straight after a sewing machine ) then when I get back down I have to wait for the top to precess 2 times... Meh more work when my fingers than take it
Cheers y'alls!
