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Would you go to the 2018 worlds if they were in Shangai (with yo-yo)

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Worlds 2018 proposal
« on: July 22, 2017, 11:30:01 AM »

ITSA has received an official invitation, signed by the governor of the state of Cundinamarca (which includes Bogotá), Colombia, to have the 2018 world spintop contest in Colombia. It would take place together with a world festival of traditional games.
This is a very interesting proposal, because of the number of local players (hundreds) that would enter and also the support of the government with the logistics and expenses of the event.
I guess the decision is between this proposal and going to Shanghai, China, with the yo-yo contest. Or perhaps it could be divided between a modern spintop contest in China and a traditional trompo contest in Colombia.
In Iceland we will talk with the Chinese and Japanese to see what we could expect for tops in Shanghai. In October, Val, Dale and I will be judging the finals of a regional Trompo contest in Cundinamarca and we will be able to assess the infrastructure and their organizational skills so we will get a very good idea of what we could expect for a world contest.

I want to point out that this proposal could not have taken place if we had not formed ITSA.  :)
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Re: Worlds 2018 proposal
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2017, 01:46:47 PM »

Time of recognition as come!!
Congrats!!!
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Re: Worlds 2018 proposal
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2017, 02:08:51 PM »

Hmmm.  Veeeeeeerrrrrrry interesting!!!
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Re: Worlds 2018 proposal
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2017, 01:18:15 AM »

The ITSA and the IYYL are important organizations. We want this "sport" to be seen at least as something "legit". Having a centralized "governing body" really helps other organizations take this stuff as "serious".

I think breaking off spintops on their own wouldn't work well. Piggybacking onto yoyo has had acceptable results but nothing great. I think you'll get similar results at the very least by riding on this festival of traditional games. I'd say it's worth checking out.

As for my own opinion, since I'm on both sides, yoyo and spintops, I'd personally prefer to see them both at one place. At the same time, I'd prefer to see things where they are most appreciated and accepted. I think this is quite an interesting thing to come up.
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Re: Worlds 2018 proposal
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2017, 02:44:13 PM »

Chris, keep in mind that until Greg held the World Yo-Yo contest in Orlando in was a part of IJA. It got to a point where the Yo-Yo community wanted more time/space/schedule than IJA could supply. Yo-Yo Worlds grew because it was its own event. The only question is when/how the spin top community can justify going as a separate event.
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Re: Worlds 2018 proposal
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2017, 12:57:45 AM »

hello fellow members

after Nats in Chico and the visit to Colombia by Jorge ,Val and Dale
the question raised by Dick :" The only question is when/how the spin top community can justify going as a separate event." needs debate

or  What are the conditions required if we decided to split from the WYYContest?

from the reports I have received after the visit to Colombia
there is a serious problem of location and organisation even if the attendance/the public and the number of players is huge
in Chico we have achieved the minimum which is far from enough (on the down side:nb players,facilities for gathering,battle,etc)

so far ,next World Contest in Shanghai is the best option for us to exist with/despite all the drawbacks(...//...)

do you think that there is still an alternative ?

-trailing/targeting another event (skate,bmx,juggling,toy fair,any large cultural event etc ..)?
-doing Worlds in another country ?

we will have to decide during the general assembly in december anyway

what do you think?

jim


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Re: Worlds 2018 proposal
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2017, 01:41:10 PM »

Thanks Jim for starting this discussion. After visiting Colombia, I am still processing what are the options for worlds next year.

From the organizational point of view going to China is the easiest. Also it would be the fairest for the Asian players who might want to compete, IF ANY!
My biggest fear is that we won't have enough competitors. Half of the people who last year said they were coming to Iceland, did not come.

Colombia has the big advantage of a guaranteed high number of local players. There will likely be government support. However, the town we were shown (Girardot) wouldn't work, as it's a couple of hours by land from the closest international airport and its tourist interest is local (camping, extreme sports) but not an international tourist destination. We also saw some problems with organization. There are other proposals, but I don't know if we would have time to vetted them. Perhaps Colombia makes more sense for 2019 when worlds would come to the Americas (Cleveland) anyway.

I am starting a poll to see who would come to China.
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Re: Worlds 2018 proposal
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2017, 04:47:17 PM »

I personally think that we should stay with the World YoYo competition even the US National competition but that's another conversation. I will not be able to make China for multiple reasons out of my control. The yoyo community is where I come from and where I first developed an interest in tops. I think there is a lot of potential, if we planned a bit better an had some people consistently out there showing what tops can do, it can grow. I plan to go to the BAC next year and will hopefully be allowed to do a short routine to demonstrate tops.
I think that regional spintop competitions are what is needed to grow spintops in the US. There seems to be pockets of players across the country that might be able to make a more local contest. Is there a US top association? 

My personal goal is to get my son playing yoyo and perhaps spintop in the future. Yoyo offers more contests for kids his age and we can go compete together.

As far as 2019 I can definitely be in Cleveland for Spintops so I hope the venue wont change. 
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Re: Worlds 2018 proposal
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2017, 07:27:50 PM »

I, too, will not be able to attend the China event.  We have a big national youth gathering (in Houston) we are involved with and I will be swamped with work for that.  I hope many others come forward for China and many locals come out of the woodwork!
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Re: Worlds 2018 proposal
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2017, 11:34:00 AM »

Well, nobody is saying that they are coming to China.  :(  I'm guessing Taka would likely compete and we could have one or two other Japanese players. Cuper and Fernando say they would come but, when push comes to shove, it's an expensive ticket from Mexico, so I'm not sure. It's not that I would mind having a shot at another title ;D but I would like to have many more players at worlds.
Would anybody from the US go to Colombia (e.g. in Cali)?
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Re: Worlds 2018 proposal
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2017, 01:45:41 AM »

hello again
i see that there is a shallow interest in this topic :-[
Jorge ,your Q
" Would anybody from the US go to Colombia (e.g. in Cali)?"
has not been answered :it means that the Q itself was incomplete or too restrictive
you also wrote " I would like to have many more players at worlds."

that could be the real question:

HOW/WHAT TO DO in order to have more players at Worlds ?

make the contest more attractive by including more spintop activities and possibly change the format
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helping players on costs (already done)
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organize Worlds only every two years
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find more incentives to gather more competitors
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find private or institutional support
?

etc
in a nutshell : what should the priorities be to evolve ?
I 'd really appreciate to have your feedback because the General Asembly of ITSA
will take place next month and the Board needs to plan things in advance

thanx
jim
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Re: Worlds 2018 proposal
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2017, 01:49:15 PM »

como Presidente de la AMT,ASOCIACION MEXICANA DE TROMPO
estoy apuntado a estar en cualquier evento organizado por itsa esperando y tratando de organizarme ya que mis proyectos nacionales e internacionales cada dia son mas pero de una u otra forma la AMT estara trabajando para tener competidores,mexico es un pais creo puede albergar un mundial mas antes espero y no creo sea el momento de realizarlo me gusta trabajar seriamente y practicamente la AMT ya dio su primer evento nada mas con un reconocimiento a dale oliver en su paso por mi ciudad..
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Re: Worlds 2018 proposal
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2017, 01:23:58 AM »

salut CUPER

thanks for your input
here in France (Ludo and me) think that Mexico would be the ideal country for a world spintop contest
we talked a lot with Salvador when he was in paris , but nothing happened

 you said that y no creo sea el momento de realizarlo (an international event)
why ?
 we hope the situations gets better and may be plan for the future (in 2 years?)

hasta luego

jim
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Re: Worlds 2018 proposal
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2017, 10:29:31 PM »

hola jim y miembros ITSA,un gusto saludarlos definitivamente  mexico es sin duda un posiblididad para organisar el campeonato mundial como presidente de la amt,asocicion mexicana de trompos en el tiempo que salvador paso por francia aun no existia la AMT,aun asi la cultura del trompo en mi pais tiene años sobre todo en trompos de plastico es su fuerte como muchos saben aqui existen las empresas mas grandes de trompo a nivel campañas internacionles,sin duda estamos muy interesados en poder llevar el evento sera un reto para la AMT poder cumplir con las espectativas de tal,de momento estoy preparando lo que sera la agenda respectos a campeonatos en mexico,nacionales e interncionales...
saludos a todos atte. cuper
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