P213

[RunBMC]

with you guys doing all those free styles, your making feel like i never spun a top before!

[Neff]

I have posted before this P213 I got on ebay. It seems to be factory made out of YYJ parts. A YYJ production prototype? Does anybody know about this?

Unfortunately, the spintop part is the upper tip of a double tip bearing topdog, so it does not have a nice cone to lasso. In addition, it has almost no response so I haven't been able to do the self-winding trick (when it is standing) yet (I am not good with yo-yos)

I'm thinkin' this was built for a yo-yo player, possibly Doc himself.  An off-string rewind is pretty difficult with a yo-yo set up for today's slack stuff.  That's one reason why I'm posting here, I think the setup I'm going for will appeal to top spinners a little more at the start.

As sort of a tangent - the yo-yo factory top-point hubstack is a pretty awesome solution for the yo-yo spectrum of p213-ish tricks - Ed Haponik has a video somewhere proving that point.  And look for Doc's Washing Machine trick - potential there too.  But to do merry go rounds and returns and stuff, it has to have a top body, and the gap has to be set up "old school"

[Neff]

EVERYBODY loves the rewind feature!! Not having to do it by hand will give us all time to take up another hobby!

I was hoping y'all would! 

[poptop]

Hey Chris,  Thanks for the video--I've got to give this a try too.  BTW, how are you reducing the height/diameter of the imperial boddies to fit the yo's?  Are they glued into place?

You're using yo-yo string, yes?  Do you think you could use a thin top string on a wide gap set-up?

Cool stuff!

Ta0--this might shed some light on your P213
http://yoyowiki.org/wiki/P213

[Ketzaltlipoka]

Is very nice to me to see that trompo-yoyo. It seems that the style of playing top can experience many good changes with that kind of devices and     
technology. I hope to have one of those to learn how to play them. I guess I must improve my yoyo game to handle better that p213.
Congratulations! It`s necessary to be cleaver and ingenious to develop and, mainly, to concrete an idea. I think you must have invested many, many hours in perfeccionate that interesting toy.

[Trevor]

Chris,
that's a very inspiring video! It's gotten me thinking the whole nite (now a little sleep deprived ) on a new mod with 4 bearings! Will have to "sacrifice" a new Bearing King for that ...
Trevor

[Neff]

BTW, how are you reducing the height/diameter of the imperial boddies to fit the yo's?  Are they glued into place?

You're using yo-yo string, yes?  Do you think you could use a thin top string on a wide gap set-up?

Questions!  Keep 'em coming.  I put them on a lathe and hacksaw just above the tab holes, then sand it down 'till it fits snug in a proyo.  Glued in place after balanced.

Plain cotton type 4 yo-yo string seems to work the best.  Thicker yo-yo string works if you increase the gap for it to release right, and its... well, it's just a little different.  I've tried unraveling top string, taking a strand or two out, folding it and winding it like yo-yo string (a knot in the end and it won't release)  – lotta work for not-so great results. 

-Chris

[Neff]

Chris,
that's a very inspiring video! It's gotten me thinking the whole nite (now a little sleep deprived ) on a new mod with 4 bearings! Will have to "sacrifice" a new Bearing King for that ...
Trevor

You've seen a vision and you MUST build it!  Not sure what you're going for, but I'll tell ya bearing top-tips on these things is wobble city.  I've only built one (out of 6 or so) that works to my satisfaction.  Balance it with a fixed tip in first if you can.  -Chris

[poptop]

Cool--thanks Chris!  So which yo-yo donor combinations do you find most suitable. I know this is prolly subjective, just wondering what seems to work well.

The Panda and Monkey look pretty beefy up top--is the balance on either side of the axle an important consideration?  The new Hayabusa is lighter but still has a nice off-string shape/profile...

[Neff]

Is very nice to me to see that trompo-yoyo. It seems that the style of playing top can experience many good changes with that kind of devices and     
technology. I hope to have one of those to learn how to play them. I guess I must improve my yoyo game to handle better that p213.
Congratulations! It`s necessary to be cleaver and ingenious to develop and, mainly, to concrete an idea. I think you must have invested many, many hours in perfeccionate that interesting toy.

Gracias!  I certainly hope you get one - I hope everybody who wants one gets one - I want to see what these things can do beyond my skills.  The only yo-yo trick you really need is the typical off string release where you throw it up, and then a little experience of what it takes to get it wound up.  A $20 rubber-rimmed yo-yo would help, but you can do it with a Duncan Butterfly (in the grass). --Chris

[Neff]

Cool--thanks Chris!  So which yo-yo donor combinations do you find most suitable. I know this is prolly subjective, just wondering what seems to work well.

The Panda and Monkey look pretty beefy up top--is the balance on either side of the axle an important consideration?  The new Hayabusa is lighter but still has a nice off-string shape/profile...

I have built all-Duncan, all-Spintatsics and all-YYJ P213's, both bearing tip and fixed tip.  So far, Duncan parts work the best for me, and are less expensive – at the same time they are a little more fragile.

The extra rim weight of the panda, monkey, hyabusa help offset the added weight on the other side.  This will keep it from turning during a standard on-string sleeper.  Also the rubber helps protect your investment – but it sure snags on skin and clothes.  A weight ring in a Freehand works good – just play in the grass.   

A profire or bumble bee on the other side (put a standard friction sticker on top of the cork pad when it wears out) works well for the looper half.  Now if you want to go hardcore – ProFly & ProYo with wood axle without weight compensation.  This combo acts almost identical to a regular top during top tricks like roller coaster – but it is very difficult to "fast start" it like you would an off-string yo-yo.  Technics, sunsets, loop720's are more resilient, but have a larger cap diameter – making the top body bigger and thus longer increasing the weight distribution problem.

That's my "9-years of building the thing" summary.  That will be $348.  Paypal. 

[killswitch]

awesome!

[jim in paris]

salut Chris

would you consider sending me one of these protos ?

the off string throw is no problem for me (i started with vipers)

i could send you a refund for the shipping
or trade for other tops

or else i could send you the spare parts needed to make one
(postage at my charge)

qu'en penses - tu ?
wot U think ?

thanx in advance for ......; being Chris N 

jim

[Neff]

salut Chris

would you consider sending me one of these protos ?

the off string throw is no problem for me (i started with vipers)

i could send you a refund for the shipping
or trade for other tops

or else i could send you the spare parts needed to make one
(postage at my charge)

qu'en penses - tu ?
wot U think ?

thanx in advance for ......; being Chris N 

jim

Sure!  Trades are good - I'll send ya a message.

[jim in paris]

hello again
i replied to your message
maybe you get 2 

jim