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[the Earl of Whirl]

Hey Mr. Pulp......have you ever seen "recortes", the type of bullfighting where the guys jump over the bulls?  I just saw a show on TV about it and thought I would go to a reliable source to get more information!

[ta0]

History was not my favorite subject in school, but one image I recall from my 8th grade class history book is a Minoan woman from Crete jumping over a bull. Perhaps it had to do with the fact that she was topless . . .    By the way, I recently saw a documentary on TV explaining that the Minoan civilization probably ended when a huge tsunami hit the island (the survivors were easy prey for the invaders from mainland).

[the Earl of Whirl]

Hmmmm......topless bull jumping?  That is bound to leave an impression on a junior high boy.  What school did you go to?  Ohio junior high schools left out important information like that. 

All the bull jumpers in the show I saw were men.  I'm glad to hear women were also involved.  And the tsunami wiping out the Minoan island is something I never thought about.  Of course, I never thought about topless women jumping over bulls until now, either!

Have any of our top spinning friends ever gone to a bullfight or a "recorts" with bull jumping fighers?  All that bull hopping must be an amazing thing to watch and not as cruel as regular bullfights for, from what I heard, they do not kill the bull after these battles.

[ta0]

That is bound to leave an impression on a junior high boy.

The author of the book must have been a pedagogical genius 

I did a search for Minoan bull leaping and I could not find one exactly as I think I remember (a fresco), but I did find this "reconstruction":

[Dick Stohr]

When I was deployed to Rota Spain with a Navy P-3 squadron we would go to the local bull ring for Friday night fun.  Some of the fighters were not that good and I remember one deaf guy was usually not as good as the bull, but he made it fun.  There was never a woman nor topless woman bull fighter but we did see some of the guys jump over the bull.  Sometimes with the help of the bull.  When they did it seemed that they had been near the bottom of the bottle of the vino.  We did get to a few of the bigger fights with big name fighters.  It was a much better show, with no jumping the bulls.  The topless was always at the beach, not in the ring.

[Pulpowsky]

The "recortes" or forçados is typical from Portugal. In Spain, Mexico and Colombia the bull end dead by an special sword called estoque.

And my "hot" comentary. People with a big cock call it estoque too.

[jim in paris]

salut la compagnie !

"In Spain, Mexico and Colombia the bull ends dead"
unfortunately you can add France to these barbaristic countries

there has been a strong anti-corrida movement here despite cultural heritage,folkloric patrimony etc to justify the slaughtering of bulls....;with a few results : the strict control on the number of animals sacrificed

but most city mayors in the south west and Basque country support corridas ,whatever their political colour...


jim