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Title: Trompo Show on Antequera, Spain. With Gerardo Montero
Post by: Pulpowsky on April 20, 2010, 11:43:15 AM
This is one of the events Mike Hout loves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjfTz9rLdXE&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjfTz9rLdXE&feature=related)
Title: Re: Trompo Show on Antequera, Spain with Gerardo Montero
Post by: ta0 on April 20, 2010, 02:28:26 PM
That was great! Gerardo is always fantastic. And so many kids doing the boomerang simultaneously!
A pity the rain.

Pulp, are you going to be able to catch Gerardo somewhere on the tour?  ;)
Title: Re: Trompo Show on Antequera, Spain with Gerardo Montero
Post by: Pulpowsky on April 20, 2010, 03:03:56 PM
I'm trying to throw a trompo party join the best Spaniards top players with Gerardo but it is becoming difficult.
Title: Re: Trompo Show on Antequera, Spain with Gerardo Montero
Post by: MatiasStuntMan on April 20, 2010, 04:21:24 PM
A Screwdriver will be the perfect drink in a Top Spinners party ;) or maybe a Top Collins...  ::)


This might be the subject of another topic, perhaps.
Title: Re: Trompo Show on Antequera, Spain with Gerardo Montero
Post by: the Earl of Whirl on April 21, 2010, 09:02:41 AM
You are right, Pulp, this is indeed the kind of event I love.  I watched the video several times.  Thanks for posting it.  It looks like there was a lot of good activity there.  Of course, Gerardo is always great.

Did I see on the trophy that this event was just this past weekend?
Title: Re: Trompo Show on Antequera, Spain with Gerardo Montero
Post by: pplgrande on April 25, 2010, 02:22:38 AM
Thanks for the video Pulp, Gerardo is always amazing
Title: Re: Trompo Show on Antequera, Spain. With Gerardo Montero
Post by: ASOCIACION ANTEQUERA on May 09, 2010, 05:17:33 PM
Estimados amigos, ha sido para la Asociación Antequerana de la parte superior una gran alegría recibir en nuestra ciudad del sur de España, visite Gerardo Montero. Somos una asociación que, tratamos de difundir los juegos tradicionales, y especialmente la parte superior, a todos los niños. Para ello vamos a los colegios y explicar la historia de la parte superior, recortables de papel, cromos, soldaditos, etc Sin darse cuenta, los chicos aprenden jugando una lección de la historia, las ciencias, la física o el arte, y para ello tenemos una selección de muy diferentes tipos de tapas. Ahora tenemos 450 tapas diferentes de todo el mundo, giroscopios, rotuladores de colores, mezcla de colores "luz blanca", levitrom, antropomorfas, de sonido, antiguos y modernos, etc cazador Gerardo ha venido y nos ha acompañado. ..........
Title: Re: Trompo Show on Antequera, Spain. With Gerardo Montero
Post by: ASOCIACION ANTEQUERA on May 09, 2010, 05:19:18 PM
Estimated friends, it has been for the Association Antequerana of the Top a great happiness to receive in our city of the south in Spain, Gerardo Montero's visit. We are an association that we try to spread the traditional games, and especially the top, to all the children. For it we go to the colleges and explain the history of the top, recortables of paper, chromes, soldaditos, etc. Without realizing, the boys learn playing a lesson of history, sciences, physics or art, and for it we take a selection of very different types of tops. Now we have 450 tops different from the whole world, gyroscopes, felt-tip pens of colors, mixture of colors " white light ", levitrom, anthropomorphic, of sound, ancient and modern, etc. Gerardo hunter has come and has accompanied us ...............
Title: Re: Trompo Show on Antequera, Spain. With Gerardo Montero
Post by: ASOCIACION ANTEQUERA on May 09, 2010, 05:29:00 PM
...........he has accompanied us on the colleges spreading the top and doing he his demonstration of acrobatics. She is an extraordinarily simple person. He has visited in addition two centers of disabled boys, a center of sciences, the catholic church of Antequera, a restaurant, a travel agency, all this promoting the tops. I encourage you to announce the game of the top always and at all time in that you have occasion. The progress that provokes the technology, sometimes, determines our lives and it is necessary to disconnect us. For it not like at all to play with the top and to share with good friends moments. In Antequera we go trying this several years, from 1996 but it is now this when giving his fruit and this the results being seen. A greeting to all.
Title: Re: Trompo Show on Antequera, Spain. With Gerardo Montero
Post by: ta0 on May 09, 2010, 09:30:13 PM
Thanks for posting Sebastian and sharing those great photos (note to lurkers: you need to sign in to see photos attached). You look confident with the top on your hand on the third picture: have you learned a lot from Gerardo himself? Without doubt Antequera is making a name for itself in the world of tops!

From where comes the nickname cazador (hunter) for Gerardo?

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. . . para ello tenemos una selección de muy diferentes tipos de tapas. Ahora tenemos 450 tapas diferentes de todo el mundo . . .
Pensaba que tapas era algo que se comía en España . . .  :P

Jorge
Title: A kid from Antequera and Saturno Roller
Post by: ta0 on May 14, 2010, 09:35:49 AM
This kid from Antequera who just started recently posted a nice video on youtube showing how fast kids pick up top spinning when there are good promotions. What surprises me is that he plays with his bearing Saturno Roller (thread (http://www.ta0.com/forum/index.php?topic=388.msg3078)) over tile: those tops must be pretty tough!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4pXJc-m29s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4pXJc-m29s)

And here you can see another video of Gerardo doing a demo in Antequera: Gerardo school demo (http://www.marquesdosaguas.es/Imatges/trompo.html). At one point he may have used a bearing top: I had only seen him use fixed tip before.
Title: Re: A kid from Antequera and Saturno Roller
Post by: Neff on May 14, 2010, 02:57:07 PM
And here you can see another video of Gerardo doing a demo in Antequera: Gerardo school demo (http://www.marquesdosaguas.es/Imatges/trompo.html). At one point he may have used a bearing top: I had only seen him use fixed tip before.
Thanks for posting ta0, I hadn't seen this Gerardo one.  Curious what you suspect he used bearing for?  I'm betting he used fixed tip for all of that, even the button snag.  He's done that Sunglass grind in several videos, all with what appears to be the same top he is doing fixed tricks with.  I've tried it with some bearing tops, makes me too dizzy  :o
Title: Re: Trompo Show on Antequera, Spain. With Gerardo Montero
Post by: ta0 on May 14, 2010, 03:21:07 PM
I was thinking about the snag (helicopter) : just an impression but most likely you are right and he is using fixed tip.

It is interesting how popular the upside down spinning on the pen seems to be over there. Spintop manufacturers should take notice. I believe Pulp, who helped design the Saturno, suggested the center dimple on the crown for that purpose.
Title: Re: Trompo Show on Antequera, Spain. With Gerardo Montero
Post by: Pulpowsky on May 15, 2010, 03:26:57 AM
I believe Pulp, who helped design the Saturno, suggested the center dimple on the crown for that purpose.

I did it. We try some diferent deeps and wides. The actual one was developed to hold the tip of another saturno, but the pen works better by its movable ball. The idea was to help to the unskilled salesman to do a incredible trick to promote sales. The kids love that trick. I thought that each new top need an specific feature to makes the difference with others.
Title: Re: Trompo Show on Antequera, Spain. With Gerardo Montero
Post by: Watts' Tops on May 15, 2010, 10:15:44 PM
Amazing.  I love that dimple idea and spinning on a pen.  Never dreamed of that one. ???
Title: Re: Trompo Show on Antequera, Spain. With Gerardo Montero
Post by: ta0 on May 16, 2010, 12:02:13 PM
Javier from Trompos Space confirmed on his board that Gerardo used only a fixed tip top on the school demo. I think the video slows down when he does the button snag (not a duck  ;) )  and that is why it seems to last so long (I have tried it with a Saturno and it would kill the spin if it wasn't slow motion).

They call the upside-down spin on the pen "Giraboli" as "bolígrafo" is a ballpoint pen. Herman Lau did it with a toothpick below, but I don't know what was the top:

http://www.topspinning.com/videos/Toothpick.mpg (http://www.topspinning.com/videos/Toothpick.mpg)

I wonder how many times it would take me to land the Pencil Sharpener trick using that dimple. It is in theory possible but I bet it would take at least a hundred attempts . . .  ::)

Title: Re: Trompo Show on Antequera, Spain. With Gerardo Montero
Post by: Herm on May 22, 2010, 03:21:22 AM
The top I used was the Premier Junior.  It's one of my favorite tops.  It does not come with an indentation or dimple on the crown like the Saturno.  But I found an easy and accurate way to put one on any top with a smooth flat crown.  If you want to make one yourself, here’s how I do it: spin the top on a table and have it spinning upright and still.  Take a marking pen like a Sharpie, and make a quick delicate jab at where you think the exact center of the crown is.  When you pick up the top and look at its crown it will have or should have a perfect circle drawn on it by the marker.  Then use a small drill bit to manually drill and carve out an indentation.  Since it’s metal on plastic you can easily just do it by hand.  Just make sure you don’t “drill” it all the way through the plastic.  The entire process takes less than 5 minutes. If the circle is very tiny it will be very easy to put the dimple at the exact center.  But if your estimation of the center or aim with the Sharpie was way off then you might have a larger circle.  You can still spin it again and try again with the marking pen and hopefully get another circle inside the larger one. 
Also, if you balanced a top with adhesive putty and use the above method to find the “dimple” then you should not re-balance the top because doing so will change the center of rotation and the dimple you first made will not be the center of rotation anymore.
 The only person I remember showing and explaining this method to was Jon Gates a long time ago.

As I was typing this I suddenly remembered another way I prepared the top for the toothpick trick.  I came up with this method so that I could instantly do the toothpick trick with any borrowed top or any top with a hole through the center of the crown such as the cheap Duncan Imperial or those with raised letterings like the Monarch.  Basically I just made a removable adapter.  I use a plastic disc about the size of a nickel or dime that you can find at almost all school supply stores (I think they use them for games or for teaching counting) and put an indentation on it just like I did for the tops.  Then use removable adhesive putty and stick the disc on the top of the crown.  Then thru trial and error you can to readjust the position of the disc so the indentation is at the exact center of rotation.
Some of you may remember I gave a few of these made up discs to top players I met at one of the yo-yo meets many years ago. 

By just playing around I very pleasantly discovered that by just using a small loop of string you can easily and elegantly get the top off the toothpick as shown in that little video above which I think was made about 15 years ago. 

I first saw Rick Osborne do the toothpick trick.  I never met Rick in person.  But when I first started out in tops he sent me some tops and a videotape in which he did that trick plus a few others such as throwing the top way, way up high and catching it back on the string.
 
There are not many tops that come with a dimple on top because I think it’s so difficult to manufacture something so precisely balanced.  Even car tires and ceiling fans come with balancing kits.  So I was surprised that the Saturno tops have them.  I was able to play with them when my friend visited her sister in Spain a few months ago and she was able to bring back a bunch of them for me.  I guess they are manufactured with enough precision that they can take the chance that the dimple will be at the center when the top is spinning.
The very first top I bought also had a dimple on the crown.  I bought it in Detroit in 1974.  I clearly remember the year because I was visiting my home town of Dearborn, Michigan that year.   It’s a plastic top with a metal ball shaped tip. I got it from a novelty store thinking it was something that may be fun to play with in the future.  But I never played with it because although the printed instructions were enticing, they were too vague.   
Title: Re: Trompo Show on Antequera, Spain. With Gerardo Montero
Post by: ta0 on May 22, 2010, 09:56:23 AM
That is a wonderful tip about marking the center of the crown by spinning it. Thanks!
If you were making those adaptors just for this trick I conclude that the toothpick/giraboli has widespread appeal.

More challenging but spectacular ways of getting out of the trick are to do an upside-down lasso or an upside-down whip.

PS: I am glad you could regain access to your account.
Title: Re: Trompo Show on Antequera, Spain. With Gerardo Montero
Post by: the Earl of Whirl on May 22, 2010, 12:14:41 PM
What a thrill to read some more from Herm!  Thanks again for posting.  We love it.

I have seen Rick Osborne has been at the last two worlds in Orlando.  He seems to enjoy hanging out in the lobby area just outside the main room.  I see him doing lots of different tricks with his yo-yo and top and goes around chatting with a number of people.  I wasn't quite able to get him to go to our "top meal" over at the restaurant next door but he seems to be doing well and it sounded like he lived somewhere in Florida.