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Title: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: ta0 on November 07, 2014, 10:36:57 PM
Let's propose names for the future association. When we have enough I'll open a poll.
Here are some examples:

ITSA: International Top Spinners Association _ This is Watts' old association name. I say it is pretty good, at least for the player's part.

SPIN: Spintop Players InterNational _ Self-referencing acronym.

IFSP: International Federation of Spintop Players _ Although it wouldn't be a true federation at this time, it could become one in the future

IASTA: International Association of Spinning Top Arts [/b] _ More encompassing

AIT: Association Internationale de la Toupie = Asociación Internacional del Trompo = International Association of Topspinning  _ Multilingual

What else?
Title: Re: Name the spintop association!
Post by: jim in paris on November 08, 2014, 01:26:47 PM
how about

W S T A
World Spinning Top Association


jim
Title: Re: Name the spintop association!
Post by: Jack on November 08, 2014, 06:01:30 PM
itsa seems best imho
Title: Re: Name the spintop association!
Post by: ta0 on November 09, 2014, 11:03:13 AM
how about

W S T A: World Spinning Top Association

jim

Using just Spinning Top instead of Top Spinners or Top Players would include collectors, etc., what could be good.

Using the word World is like staking a claim to be the preeminent association in the world. We do aspire to become that. On the other hand it may feel like bullying by clubs or associations already in existence around the world (e.g. Malaysia).

But we definitely do not want to be the World Top Federation  :P



Title: Re: Name the spintop association!
Post by: lincolnrick on November 09, 2014, 12:44:00 PM
But we definitely do not want to be the World Top Federation  :P

WTF is actually a very good podcast with Marc Maron  ;D

I would also avoid Top Spinning Association  :o  I think the US government may take exception.

Title: Re: Name the spintop association!
Post by: jim in paris on November 09, 2014, 01:22:37 PM


WASTE

World Association for Spinning Top Education


 8) 8)jim
Title: Re: Name the spintop association!
Post by: Jack on November 09, 2014, 01:26:08 PM


WASTE

World Association for Spinning Top Education


 8) 8)jim

this! genius! @-@
Title: Re: Name the spintop association!
Post by: Eric on November 09, 2014, 04:42:16 PM
Top International Top Spinners.......  ;)
Title: Re: Name the spintop association!
Post by: Jack on November 09, 2014, 11:46:13 PM
Top International Top Spinners.......  ;)

yessss! yeeeeesssss!
Title: Re: Name the spintop association!
Post by: ta0 on November 12, 2014, 12:27:29 AM
Top International Top Spinners.......  ;)
That would not work as we cannot go top-less.  ;)

I guess not Player Organization of Top Spinning InterNational (POTSIN)?  ::)

I like how ITSA sounds. But before voting on it we should get the permission of Walter or Byron.
Title: Re: Name the spintop association!
Post by: lincolnrick on November 12, 2014, 11:02:09 AM
I guess not Player Organization of Top Spinning InterNational (POTSIN)?  ::)
I like how ITSA sounds. But before voting on it we should get the permission of Walter or Byron.

All I see is word play.  I don't believe POT-SIN is true, but a few states have gotten behind POTS-IN  ;D

I do like the formal name ITSA stands for, but the saying the acronym makes me think ITSA (It's a ) what? A thing? A who? Or is it one of those self referencing name?  It's a(n)  ITSA.    :o
Title: Re: Name the spintop association!
Post by: ta0 on November 12, 2014, 11:44:57 AM
I do like the formal name ITSA stands for, but the saying the acronym makes me think ITSA (It's a ) what? A thing? A who? Or is it one of those self referencing name?  It's a(n)  ITSA.    :o
IT'S A WOT? (World Organization of Topspinning)  :P

Ok. We need to get serious soon. But I feel there must be a name we are missing that would be great.  :-\ So I'll give it another try to see if the creation juices flow.

What about: Spin Top Organization of Players:  STOP ? Nope.

World Organization of Whirling: WOW !

FIT:  Fédération Internationale de la Toupie = Federación Internacional del Trompo = International Federation of Topspinning

Actually, the name does not necessary have to be an acronym. For example, it could be just the Latin for spinning top: TURBO.

Title: Re: Name the spintop association!
Post by: jim in paris on November 12, 2014, 12:51:41 PM
hi all
i do not think we need an acronym

i prefer world to international
and
i prefer "spinning top " to "top spinning"

the T can match trompo top toupie and trottolla as well

i suggest simply
Tops of the World



jim
Title: Re: Name the spintop association!
Post by: Byron Watts on November 12, 2014, 07:23:33 PM
I created the ITSA (International Top Spinners Association) with the hope of doing something very similar to what you have here.

I would be honored to see ITSA have new life because it needs to be much bigger than just me.... :-)

So, ITSA and International Top Spinners Association is open and available if you wish to use it.

I never got the domain name itsa.org though.

I do have one that could be useful....

spinningtops.org

perhaps?

Byron

P.S.  (added after the original post)

Since I have been inactive...I don't feel qualified to "vote".  But my inkle is obvious.
Title: Re: Name the spintop association!
Post by: ta0 on November 13, 2014, 12:49:21 PM
Thanks a lot Byron for giving us permission to use the ITSA name. It is no doubt a finalist. Also spinningtops.org could well be a domain to use. I had also reserved iSpinTop.com for that possible use.

i suggest simply
Tops of the World

jim

Tops of the World is growing on me. It lacks the explicit mention of an association or a sport, but on the other hand it includes everything and has an uplifting connotation.
But people (at least in the US) will want to abbreviate it to TOTW or TW. Now, in many languages, the letter M is the initial for "world" (e.g., monde, mundo, etc) and the M is like a W upside down. Perhaps TW/M could be worked out into a logo or patch. Furthermore, if you put the W sidewise it looks like the Greek capital letter Sigma, which in math is used as the symbol of summation. And we want to be the sum of the spintop culture around the world . . .

Mm, in Latin: Summa Turbo

If there are no more proposals I will put up a poll later today.

Title: Re: Name the spintop association!
Post by: ta0 on November 13, 2014, 01:18:34 PM
One more:

TOPS:  Tops Of the Planet Society
Title: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: ta0 on November 13, 2014, 06:23:21 PM
Turbo could be an acronym: Tops(pinning) Universal Recreational and Battling Organization
A little acknowledgement for Gould's book.

I am adding a poll. There will be a second round between the 2 that get the most votes.
You can vote for up to two names. Changing votes is allowed as long as the poll is open. I will close it when it seems we won't get any more votes.



Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: the Earl of Whirl on November 13, 2014, 07:07:55 PM
I have a long history with ITSA.  I like how it slips off the tongue and I even have an ITSA t-shirt.  Yet, when one puts ITSA in Google so many other things come up like: Intelligent Transportation Society of America, Information Technology Student Association; International Thermal Spray Association, Information Technology Staff Augmentation and even the ITSA film festival in Sonora, California!

There are other TOPS organizations but it looks like there might not be as many conflicts.  I did not look up all the other acronyms but this might be something to consider.
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: Sabaspin on November 13, 2014, 07:49:14 PM
In top lingo, is there a specific difference between the term
"Spintop" and "Spinning Top"?
Just curious.
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: ta0 on November 13, 2014, 10:51:17 PM
In top lingo, is there a specific difference between the term
"Spintop" and "Spinning Top"?
Just curious.
I have used spintop mostly for our trick tops while spinning top as a more generic term. I think that has also been the usage by others. I have the impression the yo-yo companies started using the term in the second half of last century, although I could be wrong. Before that if you wanted to abbreviate spinning top you just said top.  But I wouldn't be surprised if the terms become synonymous as time passes (if they aren't already). In fact, for the association name I assumed that Spinning Top, Spintop and Top were all the same.
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: Jack on November 14, 2014, 01:02:10 AM
I have used spintop mostly for our trick tops while spinning top as a more generic term. I think that has also been the usage by others. I have the impression the yo-yo companies started using the term in the second half of last century, although I could be wrong. Before that if you wanted to abbreviate spinning top you just said top.  But I wouldn't be surprised if the terms become synonymous as time passes (if they aren't already). In fact, for the association name I assumed that Spinning Top, Spintop and Top were all the same.

yup makes sense to me
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: Sabaspin on November 14, 2014, 07:52:21 AM
In top lingo, is there a specific difference between the term
"Spintop" and "Spinning Top"?
Just curious.
I have used spintop mostly for our trick tops while spinning top as a more generic term. I think that has also been the usage by others. I have the impression the yo-yo companies started using the term in the second half of last century, although I could be wrong. Before that if you wanted to abbreviate spinning top you just said top.  But I wouldn't be surprised if the terms become synonymous as time passes (if they aren't already). In fact, for the association name I assumed that Spinning Top, Spintop and Top were all the same.

Thanks.
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: jim in paris on November 14, 2014, 10:34:38 AM
hi all
new approach:

replacing "spinning tops" with "skill toys"

that way we would be linked to the toy industry ...
 toy fairs , toy museum etc

it could be useful for our future projects

International Skill Toys Association
or

International Tops and Skill Toys Association


jim
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: ta0 on November 14, 2014, 10:49:33 AM
hi all
new approach:
replacing "spinning tops" with "skill toys"
that way we would be linked to the toy industry ... toy fairs , toy museum etc
it could be useful for our future projects

International Skill Toys Association
or
International Tops and Skill Toys Association

jim

I disagree. That would be like trying to claim to represent yo-yos, kendamas, etc. which have their own associations. Maybe one day we can enter into a federation of skill toys with them, but just trying to group together the multitude of diverse spinning top cultures of the world is ambitious enough, in my opinion.
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: Dick Stohr on November 14, 2014, 11:51:09 AM
To be fair I think that you need to have one more item in your poll for the name:

ABSTAIN
or
NONE OF THE ABOVE

I am just not connecting with any of these so far.
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: ta0 on November 14, 2014, 12:04:30 PM
Dick:

I added the "'None of the Above" as per your suggestion. I did not think that any of those were perfect either, but the problem is that nobody was proposing other names, or I would have them up there. I would hope that those who select None of the Above propose another name.

Perhaps something simple? Like World Spinning Top Federation (WSTF) or International Spinning Top Association (ISTA) ?
Spinning Tops Society (STS)?
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: ta0 on November 14, 2014, 01:01:36 PM
Changed what the A stands for in IASTA to Academy: International Academy of Spinning Top Arts.
Now we can give little statues as awards, the Oscars Jims.  :)
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: Jack on November 14, 2014, 02:37:55 PM
hi all
new approach:
replacing "spinning tops" with "skill toys"
that way we would be linked to the toy industry ... toy fairs , toy museum etc
it could be useful for our future projects

International Skill Toys Association
or
International Tops and Skill Toys Association

jim

I disagree. That would be like trying to claim to represent yo-yos, kendamas, etc. which have their own associations. Maybe one day we can enter into a federation of skill toys with them, but just trying to group together the multitude of diverse spinning top cultures of the world is ambitious enough, in my opinion.

i agree, there are plenty of skill toys out there but its our duty to represent the one we love i.e tops. and god forbid we start attracting the....kendama crowd! bunch of hippies!  :o ( just a joke  ;D ). so ya tops are for us, skill toys are for other associations forgive me jim  :'(
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: Dick Stohr on November 14, 2014, 09:43:31 PM
Maybe it should be simpler:

US Top Spinning Federation
French Top Sinning Federaion
Spain Top Spinning Federation
etc.

World Top Spinning Federation
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: jim in paris on November 15, 2014, 12:18:13 AM
ok

i liked skill toys as an expression
but i agree it includes too many things


i am with Dick for the simplicity
how about

world spintop federation

?
jim
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: ta0 on November 15, 2014, 09:43:56 AM
World Top Spinning Federation
i am with Dick for the simplicity
how about

world spintop federation

jim

I think I settled on something I like. What about calling the entity just TOPS, no acronym, and adding a descriptive tag line?:

TOPS : The World Top Spinning Federation

Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: ta0 on November 15, 2014, 03:49:03 PM
I am changing the poll to see if  "TOPS : The World TOP Spinning Federation" is something most would like. Just in case, I am copying below what we had so far:
 
International Top Spinners Association (ITSA)
    - 5 (25%)
SPIN (Spintop Players InterNational)
    - 5 (25%)
Tops of the World (TW)
    - 0 (0%)
TOPS  (Tops Of the Planet Society)
    - 4 (20%)
TURBO (Topspinning Universal Recreational and Battling Organization)
    - 0 (0%)
International Academy of Spinning Top Arts (IASTA)
    - 3 (15%)
none of the above
    - 3 (15%)
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: Dick Stohr on November 15, 2014, 06:25:10 PM
I voted "maybe" because I did not like "TOPS The"
World TOP Spinning Federation would get my vote
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: ta0 on November 15, 2014, 07:31:03 PM
I voted "maybe" because I did not like "TOPS The"
World TOP Spinning Federation would get my vote
Thanks for explaining your vote, Dick. I wish other also did.

Personally, I prefer TOPS (with the tag line), because if not it is going to be known as WTSF, which is just another soup of letters, as many others out there.
But I want to hear what others think.
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: jim in paris on November 16, 2014, 12:54:13 AM
hello again

i voted yes although i do not like the repetition of block letters for tops

I'd rather put
TOPS:The World Top Spinning Federation



jim
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: ta0 on November 16, 2014, 11:41:13 AM
I guess an option would be to name it World Top Spinning Federation but agree that the abbreviation is TOPS (taking the middle letters) and not WTFS.

I would like to know the reason some voted negative. If there are names they like we can put them for a vote.
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: Jack on November 16, 2014, 03:24:48 PM
i changed my vote to "maybe" but im not feeling "federation"  :P. i know federation is an accurate word its just my feelz. still like the "ITSA" if its still tabled
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: jim in paris on November 17, 2014, 11:32:17 AM
again i have a remark

maybe you're right Jack:
federation would imply that there would be a existing structure in each country ...which is not the case (yet)
so i finally would choose

World Spintop Association
or
World Top Spinning Association


jim
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: ta0 on November 17, 2014, 02:42:01 PM
Again only 14 people voted on the name. The results of the poll were:

Quote
Question: Should the association be called: "TOPS: The World TOP Spinning Federation" ?

Yes, I like it.
    - 7 (50%)I
Maybe.
    - 5 (35.7%)
I don't like it.
    - 2 (14.3%)

I would like the members who have an opinion on this to post or send me a pm with their preferred name (one we already considered or a new one). Let's see if we can decide by Wednesday and go to the next step (a statement of purpose and a logo contest  :) ),
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: Dick Stohr on November 17, 2014, 03:15:42 PM
I guess I am thinking about this way too much, meaning it should be more simple than we are trying to make it.
I am sure that there are other good examples but many of us are familiar with the AYYA, several national organizations were formed before the World organization was formed to bring them all together. Trying to do this top down may be too hard. If it is too top heavy it may topple and fail.
Should we in the US start "US TOP spinning Association" or "US Spinning TOP Association" and let the other countries form theirs? Then in the future come together under a WORLD organization.
To add a little humor: we seem to be pushing on a rope and will not get any where until we find the guy selling starch.  ;)
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: lincolnrick on November 17, 2014, 03:36:27 PM
I voted Maybe in the latest poll.  My vote if restricted to one would be ITSA.  I has the three elements we need.  Scope (International), purpose/composition of members (top spinners), and the description of the structure (Association).  We can be fast and loose with the definition of top spinners.  Look at the International Jugglers Association.  It has hoopers, slack rope walkers, top spinners, collectors etc as members.  Our definition can be what we want it to be.
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: Neff on November 17, 2014, 11:38:58 PM
Excellent breakdown Rick.  It may be too laborous, but there could be a poll on each of the three parts.
International / World / None, implied
Top Spinners / Spinning Top / Spin Top
Association / Federation / Society / Fellows / Guild / Horde
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: Jack on November 18, 2014, 12:07:59 AM
Excellent breakdown Rick.  It may be too laborous, but there could be a poll on each of the three parts.
International / World / None, implied
Top Spinners / Spinning Top / Spin Top
Association / Federation / Society / Fellows / Guild / Horde

seems like a practical suggestion after all we want to get this right even it means extra effort eh. i do like the sound of "international spintop horde" though ::)
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: ta0 on November 18, 2014, 12:42:11 AM
I wish I could put more than one simultaneous poll on the same thread.

To my ear, International goes with Association and World with Federation, but I am open to mixing them up.

One advantage of ITSA is that we can claim that it started in 2000, even if it has not been active.  And some lucky veteran top spinners already have T-shirts! I am putting a up poll to see how many are behind it.
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: the Earl of Whirl on November 18, 2014, 10:37:53 AM
The ISH is making me smile!
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: jim in paris on November 18, 2014, 01:39:24 PM
hi all

after so much time spent on the subject, with so little input,
 it seems that this debate leads to nothing
let's move to the next point ;: the status, our  intentions...if any//

(to me the logo contest will be a loss of time, as well....)

as a last resort, the Avant Garde will lead the project,with the risk of seeing no-one in the rear-view mirror

in any case , we need this structure : an international association to make it easier for contacts , events, local initiatives... etc
i 'm 100% convinced of it
here in france ,we have invited a player from Taiwan at the 5th toupie festival in February 2015 (at our own cost, ludo and I)
he can do the "floating top" half a yard, the target routine,and more...
we plan to contact the embassy to organize a venue in Paris,
like we did for Salvador
here again : an international "credibility" would be a mega asset


do you see the point or not ?
are you stuck in your backyard with tops ?
if tops are for you just a side activity, i'll inject you the virus!:!


let's get together


jim



Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: Shootist on November 18, 2014, 02:53:42 PM
SPin top INternatonal = SPIN.    Just another name to consider
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: the Earl of Whirl on November 18, 2014, 02:58:51 PM
Come on people now
Smile on your brother
Everybody get together
Try and love one another right now

Right now

Right now
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: Jack on November 18, 2014, 03:14:29 PM
Come on people now
Smile on your brother
Everybody get together
Try and love one another right now

Right now

Right now

they just dont make music like they used to do they  :(
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: ta0 on November 18, 2014, 06:20:04 PM
here in france ,we have invited a player from Taiwan at the 5th toupie festival in February 2015 (at our own cost, ludo and I)
he can do the "floating top" half a yard, the target routine,and more...
we plan to contact the embassy to organize a venue in Paris,
like we did for Salvador
here again : an international "credibility" would be a mega asset

That is incredible what Ludo and you are doing. I take my hat off.
We'll do as much as we can to at least give you the "international credibility" you deserve; it is the least we can do.

I think people are getting tired of voting. So we will put heads together with Jim and based on all the feedback we got propose a final name.
Title: Name the spintop association
Post by: ta0 on November 19, 2014, 11:23:40 AM
After considering all the feedback from those who had an opinion on the subject, Jim and I have agreed on this name:

International TOP Spinners Association  (TOPS)

It keeps the old name of Byron's association, which is also a reference to the International Jugglers Association (where the first "spintop players of the modern era" gathered). But it replaces the acronym ITSA for the more descriptive, distinctive and strong TOPS.

As they used to say in weddings, if you feel strongly against it, speak now or forever hold your peace  ;)
Title: Re: Name the spintop association
Post by: Jack on November 19, 2014, 06:12:23 PM
After considering all the feedback from those who had an opinion on the subject, Jim and I have agreed on this name:

International TOP Spinners Association  (TOPS)

It keeps the old name of Byron's association, which is also a reference to the International Jugglers Association (where the first "spintop players of the modern era" gathered). But it replaces the acronym ITSA for the more descriptive, distinctive and strong TOPS.

As they used to say in weddings, if you feel strongly against it, speak now or forever hold your peace  ;)

i think the abbreviation is a bit odd but gotta admit its straight to the point  ;D i am in favor of your decision ta0/jim and will carry this associations name emblazoned on a shirt or coat or something someday with pride!
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: Neff on November 19, 2014, 11:01:28 PM
Yeah, that's a little weird.  ITSA won the first poll didn't it?
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: ta0 on November 20, 2014, 12:26:22 AM
Yeah, that's a little weird.  ITSA won the first poll didn't it?
The 3 options with most votes on the first poll were:
International Top Spinners Association (ITSA) - 5 (25%)
SPIN (Spintop Players InterNational) - 5 (25%)
TOPS  (Tops Of the Planet Society)  - 4 (20%)
So, it kind of unites two of them.

If  you look on Byron's page (http://itsa.byron.com), he abbreviates "International Top Spinners Association" as "ITSA Spin Top", I guess because he felt that ITSA was not enough.

I don't think it is weird at all, specially considering that we are top spinners what many would say is weird in itself, not accountants or stamp collectors :P Actually, those kind of acronyms are used. I envision the name written on the logo using different lettering for the TOP and the S of spinner.

PS: I just did a search and found several online acronym builders. I entered the words international + top + spinner + association on one of them (http://acronymcreator.net/) and among the options it gave me was TAO (Top AssOciation)!  :o  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: Jack on November 20, 2014, 04:34:31 AM
"ITS A Spin Top" i lold  ;D
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: Neff on November 21, 2014, 10:44:51 PM
I don't think it is weird at all, specially considering that we are top spinners what many would say is weird in itself, not accountants or stamp collectors :P Actually, those kind of acronyms are used. I envision the name written on the logo using different lettering for the TOP and the S of spinner.

Yes, we are all eccentric here.  I guess I chose "weird" as a more passive word to my real opinion of it, I think it is awkward and a bit silly.  I don't mind so much the idea of calling it "TOPS, the international spin top association"  It is the "International TOP Spinning association" that I think is kind of forced. 

It also seemed like we were on a nice democratic path of polls and votes and then, BAM you two decided on the name.  I realize there has been little participation up to this point, but this is all so overwhelming it is difficult to dive in with so many unknowns.  You two are doing all the work so far so perhaps you really should call it what you want, I just hope there is some level of transparency as this organization gets of the ground.

I don't know, I just forsee many conversations with my peers asking, "Why don't they just call it the ITSA???"  Maybe I am a fuddy duddy.  Anyone else that has reservations or support for this name please post.
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: MarkHayward on November 21, 2014, 11:44:48 PM
Hey all, I'm late to the party. Sorry.

My feeling on acronyms is that I like them better when they are not an existing word. I think that can be confusing. In a conversation it flows much more easily if the thing you say is clearly an acronym.

"He's a certified TOPS demonstrator" requires more explanation than "He's a certified ITSA demonstrator." You have to explain what a top is, and then say the full name of the organization and then explain that the name of the organization is the same as the prop; vs saying the full name of the organization, and then explaining what a top is.

I personally like ITSA or ITOPSA or something that is not already a word.
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: ta0 on November 22, 2014, 12:36:06 AM
Thanks guys for expressing your opinions. Now is the time to do it when nothing is set in stone. We had been trying to get people to give feedback and voice their opinion with little success.

Once upon a time I was a member of the International Society for Optics and Photonics. It has thousands and thousands of members, publishes thousands of articles and organizes tens of conferences a year. What was the acronym? Not ISOP or ISFOAP but SPIE!!! The reasons for SPIE: International Society for Optics and Photonics, are historical. I just want to say that we don't have to be enslaved by the initials.

I guess, Mark, that we have different tastes on this. I think that a name that is evocative and descriptive is much better than a soup of letters. That is why I suggested names that abbreviated to SPIN (Spintop Players InterNational) or TOPS (Tops Of the Planet Society).

Full disclosure: I am already somewhat vested on the name TOPS, per the attached picture  ;)

Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: MarkHayward on November 22, 2014, 12:43:35 AM
You're right Jorge, it really comes down to different tastes. I will not throw a fit if the name ends up being a real word.
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: Neff on November 22, 2014, 08:49:29 AM
I am curious how many share your taste, ta0.  It's corny.  It's like a joke a 6 year old would tell.

I completely agree with Mark.  I don't want to have to tell a story every time I am trying to promote the ITSA. I am trying to imagine selling the idea to Steve Brown, or any of my yo-yo peers, oh man no way.
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: Ben on November 22, 2014, 09:42:30 AM
I guess I'm showing up a little late to this party, but I like ITSA quite a bit.
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: Zeemo on November 22, 2014, 10:05:02 AM
I like International Top Spinners Association  ITSA
It is like International Jugglers Association which explains what it is and has lasted for a long time (about 70 years).
There is an International Brotherhood of Magicians but that sounds like a labor union and is sexist.  Not cool for the likes of Val  Cowgirl Sam, et al.
I like official membership cards for any group and suggest someone come up with a design once we decide on a name.  I still have cards for such groups as Clowns of America, International Trick and Fancy Ropers Association, and Unicycling Society of America.  They are great conversation starters when someone asks what you do for a living.
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: mtntop on November 22, 2014, 10:31:19 AM
Hi all I am also chiming in at the final wobble but after reading the entire thread a too am a fan of ITSA over most of the other choices. I will follow this thread more closely now and try to participate in any more of the discussion or polls that may arise.
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: Jon Gates on November 22, 2014, 10:47:11 AM
As a founding member, I like ITSA. It has history and I already have the shirt.
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: ta0 on November 22, 2014, 10:57:15 AM
Finally! I love the participation!
Val just asked to be a member to also contribute.
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: Daveid on November 22, 2014, 11:03:49 AM
Itsa's fine, dont put the word top right in front of everyone,  I hate having to explain that im not talking about clothing or boobs if I start talking about tops..., oh what colour was it blue oh did it have a zipper or...umm, not that kind of top,... oh was it a tube top?.

im not retyping my original post, stupid touchscreen typing.

also, if there was an associated facebook page for this forum... lurking is easier over there.
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: valerieyo on November 22, 2014, 02:35:23 PM
Hi All.  Val here.  I realize I haven't been a part of this, but I've read through all of your comments.  Glad everyone cares so much.
My opinion is this.   ITSA has a long history. Is there really any REASON to change it?  That's the first question I have.
Acronyms are great and fun and all, but can be confusing.  My dad always told me to name your company or whatever you do something that tells people what it IS that you are involved with, i.e. you don't call yourself "ABC Company," you should call yourself "ABC Plumbing" etc.  (Or for example, my previous company was Krantz Computer Services and now is Spintastics Skill Toys.)  International Top Spinners Association does just that. It says that we are an international association of top spinners.  However, ITSA, if it were on shirts or something by itself is not clear, so adding TOPS seems to be a fine addition, as in "TOPS: International Top Spinners Association"...but I don't think it's at all necessary to pull out the "TOP S" from the words International TOP Spinners Association.  That seems totally unnecessary.
 
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: jim in paris on November 22, 2014, 03:14:55 PM
ITSA
alone as a registered name
ITSA +  Tops ...for promotional use

it  sounds  good

it looks to me as if we have plenty of potential "members of honour" in the last posts  :)

jim


Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: ta0 on November 22, 2014, 05:36:27 PM
I added a new poll. I know that this is taking a while (I got a message saying that we were designing a horse by committee and getting a camel) but if we can get the maximum amount of players to agree, that would be a good start for the association.
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: the Earl of Whirl on November 22, 2014, 06:07:22 PM
I have stayed mostly out of this because I am ready to go with what the majority wants.  It is good to hear from a number of people about their thoughts and to see some people post here who have not posted for a while......or ever!  Welcome Val.  You are the greatest female on the board right now.  You might be the only female on the board right now.  (maybe this will get spinqueen cranked and posting)

I am with ta0 about the participation and the comments.  Keep them coming.

 
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: mtntop on November 22, 2014, 07:16:08 PM
So when we all get together and a passer by asks whats going on here we can just say "ITSA top spinning conference"
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: Jack on November 22, 2014, 07:20:31 PM
"ITSA top spinning conference"

i lold
Title: Last poll: Name the spintop association!
Post by: ta0 on November 22, 2014, 11:08:34 PM
Knock, knock.
Who’s there?
Itsa.
Itsa who?
It's a bump of the thread.
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: valerieyo on November 23, 2014, 09:34:41 AM
In sleeping on this....I'm back to my first question.  Why change it?
ITSA is best.  Adding anything just confuses things.  Then is it TOPS?  Is it ITSA?  Is it TOPS:ITSA?  Is it really ITSA but we call it TOPS for fun?  Is it TOPS, but we explain by saying it's an international top spinners association?
Keep it Simple.  ITSA.
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: ta0 on November 23, 2014, 11:20:50 AM
In sleeping on this....I'm back to my first question.  Why change it?

It is not like ITSA is an active association that we are trying to change. I was the one who brought it to the discussion as a possible name, but probably many on this forum had never heard of it. As far as I know, ITSA was only briefly active like fifteen years ago and only made some T-shirts.

Talking about T-shirts, I thought it would be helpful to make a couple of simple designs to visualize the options better. I used an online T-shirt designer software (if this were real T-shirts we would do much better):

(http://ta0.com/Button-n-String/T-shirt.jpg)

A possible tag line: ITSA: we are TOPS!  :D
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: MarkHayward on November 23, 2014, 11:37:23 AM
I have to say that I LOVE that as a tag line. It's funny, historical, and accurate all in one.
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: ta0 on November 23, 2014, 12:32:58 PM
I have to say that I LOVE that as a tag line. It's funny, historical, and accurate all in one.

(http://ta0.com/Button-n-String/T-shirt2.jpg)

 ;D

A few more votes perhaps? By the way, you are free to change your vote if you want.  ;)
Title: Name finalized!!!
Post by: ta0 on November 23, 2014, 02:23:50 PM
Ok, the poll's final result won't change so . . .

It's a bird . . .
It's a plane . . .
It's a girl . . .
It's a . . ITSA!

International Top Spinners Association (ITSA)

I think we finally have a name most people like and nobody feels strongly against.
I actually like how ITSA sounds. It makes me think of an Aztec goddess (where is Salvador?)

Let's now put some meat into the revamped International Top Spinners Association!!!

PS:
I am curious how many share your taste, ta0.  It's corny.  It's like a joke a 6 year old would tell.
I think 6 year olds are going to also like this one:

Knock, knock.
Who’s there?
ITSA
It's a who?
ITSA
It's a who?
ITSA
Please, it's a WHO?
IT'S A . . . knock-knock joke!
 :D :D :D



Title: Re: Name finalized!!!
Post by: Jack on November 23, 2014, 04:12:24 PM
Ok, the poll's final result won't change so . . .

It's a bird . . .
It's a plane . . .
It's a girl . . .
It's a . . ITSA!

International Top Spinners Association (ITSA)

I think we finally have a name most people like and nobody feels strongly against.
I actually like how ITSA sounds. It makes me think of an Aztec goddess (where is Salvador?)

Let's now put some meat into the revamped International Top Spinners Association!!!

PS:
I am curious how many share your taste, ta0.  It's corny.  It's like a joke a 6 year old would tell.
I think 6 year olds are going to also like this one:

Knock, knock.
Who’s there?
ITSA
It's a who?
ITSA
It's a who?
ITSA
Please, it's a WHO?
IT'S A . . . knock-knock joke!
 :D :D :D

i like "itsa", i like meat (not so much on bones though  :(), and i like your knock knock joke  ;D
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: the Earl of Whirl on November 23, 2014, 04:24:35 PM
Once more, I feel I should point out the large number of ITSA organizations.  A quick look at the internet shows a bunch and I lose track after counting to at least a dozen.  Maybe that will not have any affect on us?  Or could it?
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: Jack on November 23, 2014, 05:19:09 PM
Once more, I feel I should point out the large number of ITSA organizations.  A quick look at the internet shows a bunch and I lose track after counting to at least a dozen.  Maybe that will not have any affect on us?  Or could it?

we must stay strong mike!
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: lincolnrick on November 23, 2014, 06:45:25 PM
Once more, I feel I should point out the large number of ITSA organizations.  A quick look at the internet shows a bunch and I lose track after counting to at least a dozen.  Maybe that will not have any affect on us?  Or could it?

I can't argue the point Mike, but I think this would be true of any (if any) acronym we choose.  I belong to the IJA.  A quick google shows that I could be a judge or an audiologist.  I also belong to the American Woodturners Association (AWA).  Again, I'm not a wrestler or a writer.  ;D ;D  If asked, I'm a woodturning, top spinning, juggler!
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: Watts' Tops on November 23, 2014, 06:46:28 PM
Ta0,  I love the T-shirts.  I have an old ITSA one in my closet from way back.  Yours are better.  To finally put in my two cents worth.  Whatever name is good.  Great to read the comments all the way to the end. ;)
Title: Re: Name finalized!!!
Post by: mailman on November 24, 2014, 09:53:15 PM
Ok, the poll's final result won't change so . . .

It's a bird . . .
It's a plane . . .
It's a girl . . .
It's a . . ITSA!

International Top Spinners Association (ITSA)

I think we finally have a name most people like and nobody feels strongly against.
I actually like how ITSA sounds. It makes me think of an Aztec goddess (where is Salvador?)

Let's now put some meat into the revamped International Top Spinners Association!!!

Itsa 'bout time!   ;D
Title: Re: POLL ADDED: Name the spintop association!
Post by: jim in paris on November 25, 2014, 12:38:21 PM
"IT'S A first step into the building of the association!" >:D

we have agreed on the name , more or less on the statement,we know how to register in Texas with a simple 501 c(7) form.

to me a basic structure is the next debate

who's ready to take responsibility?
contacts with other countries ?
at least board members Daniel Tyler ,Maurizio, trompillo ,salvador,the mexcs,Brazil,the colombians etc...



jim