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NSTR => Non SpinTop Related => Topic started by: John Buechele on November 08, 2011, 06:04:17 PM

Title: Diabolo Ladder Help
Post by: John Buechele on November 08, 2011, 06:04:17 PM
So in addition to all the top spinning I do, I have recently been spending a lot of time playing the Diabolo. I have been working on the tricks in the World Contest Ladder but I have reached a point where I need some help. I have no idea how Alan's Trick or Kyocide are done, or what they look like. I figured maybe someone here might have some more information about these tricks. Also if anyone has any advice on 2 diabolo shuffling that would be helpful, especially on how to correct them when the start to tilt. Thanks.
Title: Re: Diabolo Ladder Help
Post by: lincolnrick on November 08, 2011, 07:40:28 PM
John, I heartily endorse a site my buddy runs.  He's compiled the best diabolo site around.  I'm sure you'll be able to find what you need.  If not, please email him (Jim B.) with your questions.

http://diabolotricks.com/ (http://diabolotricks.com/)
Title: Re: Diabolo Ladder Help
Post by: ta0 on November 08, 2011, 08:03:02 PM
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I have no idea how Alan's Trick or Kyocide are done
Those two may not be on the site recommended by Rick, but the people after whom those tricks were named are on this forum . . .  8)
Title: Re: Diabolo Ladder Help
Post by: John Buechele on November 08, 2011, 08:25:49 PM
Lincolnrick I have been using that site a lot and I do think that it is the most complete and helpful Diabolo site on the internet. And ta0 I am kind of hoping to subtly ask for help from the creators of said tricks. I just don't want to be too pushy ;)
Title: Re: Diabolo Ladder Help
Post by: the Earl of Whirl on November 08, 2011, 09:05:04 PM
I do love diabolotricks.com 

lincolnrick, how do you know the guy who runs that website?

Mr. Buechele sir, have you seen the two diabolo part of that site?  I'm sure you have but I thought I would make sure.

There are some obscure videos I have found on google about kyocide.  They look pretty crazy to me.

Oh, and I just found Alan's trick on google.  I put in "diabolo alan's trick" and found kyo doing it!!!

Title: Re: Diabolo Ladder Help
Post by: lincolnrick on November 09, 2011, 09:33:18 AM
I do love diabolotricks.com 

lincolnrick, how do you know the guy who runs that website?


Jim is a great friend of mine.  He and I are among the founding members of the Lincoln City Jugglers.  He's a top spinner with 2 Watts tops, both won at juggling festival raffles! But he's a great diaboloist and club passer.  If you're a club passing juggler and have heard of Jim's Jam, Jim's 3-count, Jim's whatever, that was Jim that figured out that move.  So he's infamous!
Title: Re: Diabolo Ladder Help
Post by: ta0 on November 09, 2011, 10:12:17 AM
Jim is a great friend of mine.  He and I are among the founding members of the Lincoln City Jugglers.  He's a top spinner with 2 Watts tops, both won at juggling festival raffles!
Was he at Flatland this year?  ??? How come I did not get his photo with Figaro?
Title: Re: Diabolo Ladder Help
Post by: the Earl of Whirl on November 09, 2011, 11:29:12 AM
Wow!  Glad to hear all this about Jim.  He is another reason why I need to go to Flatland.

By the way, what is his last name.  I am sure I have met him at some IJA fests.
Title: Re: Diabolo Ladder Help
Post by: lincolnrick on November 09, 2011, 12:14:32 PM
Ta0, Jim was indeed at Flatland this year.  His spinning abilities at the time weren't up to a Figaro session, but he's getting better.

Mike, Jim and I always hit the festivals, so there's a good chance you two did meet.  Jim Brennan.
Title: Re: Diabolo Ladder Help
Post by: Watts' Tops on December 06, 2011, 04:56:36 PM
When I saw the question to start, my thought was to recommend Jim's diabolo site.  Rick, you beat me to it.  Jim is a very excellent diabolo player and a great guy. ;D ;D ;D
Also glad to hear he got the Watts' Top at Flatlands.
Title: Re: Diabolo Ladder Help
Post by: kyo on December 13, 2011, 07:30:30 PM
If you need further help on kyocide, let me know.

Alan's trick I expect to be removed from the trick list next year. If you want to learn it anyway, http://youtu.be/AnPCQPSqU-E (http://youtu.be/AnPCQPSqU-E) is the video for anybody who hasn't found it yet.

Kyle
Title: Re: Diabolo Ladder Help
Post by: the Earl of Whirl on December 13, 2011, 08:12:28 PM
Alan's trick will be gone?  Hmm.  Interesting.

Kyocide is where we are.  Yes, the Earl and Mr. Uniquely need help.
Title: Re: Diabolo Ladder Help
Post by: the Earl of Whirl on February 17, 2015, 09:44:55 PM
After a long long long time in my bag, Mr. Diabolo came out for a visit.  He seemed happy to get some fresh air.  I was happy to see him whirl around and fly high in the air.  I really missed that guy.

This all got me to thinking about a few things.  Does anyone know why there wasn't any diabolo throwing at worlds in Prague?  Maybe there was some and I missed it.  Does anyone know if there will be some diabolo in Tokyo?  They sure have a lot of good throwers from that country so it would be a shame not to feature it in some way.

I forgot what tricks constituted the ladder so I looked that up on the internet.  I also saw a few other things about the diabolo including the placers at worlds competitions.  I remember, quite fondly, that in 2011 I placed third in the freestyles (ok ok......so there were only three competitors......it still counts).  On the world championships site there are nothing but question marks for that year!!!  Who do I talk to about getting my rightful place in this not so right category (did I already mention there were only three competitors).  In an attempt to take this out of the NSTR category, I would like to point out that my whole routine was done with a monobolo.

Does anyone know Uri Gottschalk (Gotschalk or Gottshalk-I have seen it spelled several different ways on the internet)?  I believe he was second that year.  I cannot remember who was first but it seems like we should be able to get that information from someone.  Do you remember any of this kyo? 

Title: Re: Diabolo Ladder Help
Post by: ta0 on February 18, 2015, 04:12:21 PM
This all got me to thinking about a few things.  Does anyone know why there wasn't any diabolo throwing at worlds in Prague?  Maybe there was some and I missed it.  Does anyone know if there will be some diabolo in Tokyo?  They sure have a lot of good throwers from that country so it would be a shame not to feature it in some way.

Even at US nats 2013 there were no diabolos already. Stu was there but I guess he gave up. Or perhaps they figured out that the best diabolo players went to other events. I don't think there will be any in Tokyo: it is not in the list of contest divisions (http://tokyo15.com/en/contest-divisions/).
Title: Re: Diabolo Ladder Help
Post by: jim in paris on February 23, 2015, 12:26:34 AM
hello
in Europe,after the big wave of diabolo in the years 2000 , and the DVD Diabology,it has climbed down a bit
the very young players we saw at the Marines festival, all used bearing diabolos
here is an old vid of ryo yabe , he plays in new circus/music-halls now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFF1lQR1nk4


jim


Title: Re: Diabolo Ladder Help
Post by: the Earl of Whirl on February 23, 2015, 08:58:26 AM
Oh my!!!  What a tremendous video.  He makes the incredible look incredibly easy.  Whew!

Thanks for posting this, Jim.  Do you know him?  Does he do anything else but diabolo......or does he spend all his time keeping his diabolo skills going?
Title: Re: Diabolo Ladder Help
Post by: lincolnrick on February 23, 2015, 12:28:51 PM
Ryo Yabe was an IJA phenom in the early/mid 00's.  He won the following:

2002 - 1st place Juniors (stage competition) - gold medal
2004 - 1st place (individual prop competition) - gold medal(?)
2005 - 1st place Senior (stage competition) - gold medal

I find no further record of him in IJA competition records.
Title: Re: Diabolo Ladder Help
Post by: Larry D. on February 23, 2015, 01:58:37 PM
Wow!  Beautiful action! 
I like all the camera angles, thanks for putting the video up here!
Title: Re: Diabolo Ladder Help
Post by: Sabaspin on February 26, 2015, 04:22:01 PM
No to hijack the thread (let me know if I should open another), but my son 10 year old, wants a Diabolo, and of course dad also wants to play.
I read a couple of other forums, but as with everything there are so many opinions. Since  already trust this community, any suggestions? From what I read, for my son maybe a Harlequin? For me a Circus or Finesse? As for handsticks-so many options, so expensive :o.
Any help is appreciated.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Diabolo Ladder Help
Post by: Dick Stohr on February 26, 2015, 07:40:42 PM
Try Spintastics their bearing axle diabolos are top notch.
Title: Re: Diabolo Ladder Help
Post by: the Earl of Whirl on February 26, 2015, 08:54:03 PM
Yes, I do like Spintastics.  I have one of their bearing diabolos and it is one I use often.  Sabaspin, I know what you mean about the cost of diabolos.  That being said, I would not go with too small of a one to save money.  The larger ones are easier to use in many ways (except for GIANT ones).  I have a couple Circus diabolos and use those for work with two.  A couple websites I have used include Dube, Renegade and Serious Juggling (an old friend who has stayed at my house).

Hope this helps!!!
Title: Re: Diabolo Ladder Help
Post by: Sabaspin on February 27, 2015, 07:04:51 AM
Thanks Dick Stohr and Earl for you help. I'll be checking those websites.



Sabaspin, I know what you mean about the cost of diabolos.  That being said, I would not go with too small of a one to save money.
I will get a larger one, I don't mind the cost of the diabolo so much, its the cost of the handsticks and string that seems high. Is it worth it to get better handsticks (carbon, aluminum, etc..) or just get the cheap wooden sticks? If it will make things more confortable i'll go for it.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Diabolo Ladder Help
Post by: the Earl of Whirl on February 27, 2015, 09:07:48 AM
Personally, I think you can go a long way with inexpensive hand sticks.  Grinds are a lot easier on better equipment but one can do an awful lot with simple hand sticks that come with a diabolo.

Happy spinning and hopefully you will join us with some monobolo play down the road!!!
Title: Re: Diabolo Ladder Help
Post by: Sabaspin on February 27, 2015, 11:56:00 AM
Thanks Mike, I'll leave the fancy handsticks for later.
I'll let you know how it goes.
Title: Re: Diabolo Ladder Help
Post by: kyo on March 02, 2015, 02:36:27 AM
To answer some questions..

I know of no plans to have a diabolo event at Tokyo Worlds. It was only done at the world contest in Orlando because Stu and I put it together (mostly Stu).. the interest faded the last few years we did it and we both had less and less time to dedicate to it.

Diabolo has always fallen more into the realm of juggling contests than yo-yo, though a few players (Rei comes to mind) do cross over.

For somebody just learning for the first time, there are a lot of options. If you want to test the waters a bit, duncan phoenix as the price is fantastic and  it gives you both the bearing and fixed options (full disclosure: I developed this diabolo for duncan)

If you want something a little nicer, babache finesse or henry's circus (can be a bit heavy). The only full-time bearing diabolos I recommend are the triple bearing sundia's but they're expensive.

The spinabolos have always had a high speed vibration problem.. they may have gotten a bit better over the last few years but they also use to crush their spacers over time as well.

Bearings are fine to learn on, but you'll grow out of them in time.. they make certain things much harder (specifically multiple-diabolo play and tricks like infinite suicide which rely on axle resistance).. and the upside to them is rather small.

The handsticks can change the game entirely, get good ones.. I typically suggest some sort of aluminum stick as the carbon fiber/etc can be a bit 'bendy' for me. The big thing is making sure you get ones where the string comes out of the end of the stick rather than the side.. out the side can snag, or more commonly, cause the stick to wobble/twist/etc when released.

Kyle