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Title: YYF tops availability and design flaw
Post by: ta0 on September 12, 2010, 09:47:16 AM
YYF sold all its remaining stock of Throwbacks and Acrobats to Yoyoexpert.com (André Boulay). According to André, he has about 30 Acrobats and 20 Throwbacks left. Unfortunately, the Throwbacks are all in the display case so they cost $150. The Acrobats are $100 (even the inkblot design, I believe).

In Spain I discovered a design flaw about these tops. It was Sunday night and I went to the festival to see the awards and the final circus show. I put my Acrobat, a relatively small top, in a pocket just in case the need to throw a top came up, as it surely did. But when I tried to throw it I could not take all the string out of the top! I had the string stored inside but a knot had formed bigger than the hole! Of course, the stronger I pulled the tighter the knot became. So I ended up without a top to spin >:( I still need to figure out how to take the string out.
Title: Re: YYF tops availability and design flaw
Post by: Pulpowsky on September 12, 2010, 12:39:48 PM
I remember Javier trying to introduce the string into the hole and telling how much boring was it.
Title: Re: YYF tops availability and design flaw
Post by: Tomymoonly on September 13, 2010, 03:39:29 PM
are they good tops?

i m not aible to see them on yoyoexpert, i was waiting them since a long but nothing...
Title: Re: YYF tops availability and design flaw
Post by: Larry D. on September 13, 2010, 03:48:37 PM
I heard back from them yesterday (Sunday, 12 September) here is what they said...

"Yes - we actually are working on a complete spin top section on our website with a wide variety including the YoYoFactory Throwback and Acrobat tops.  Should be available within the next two weeks - announcement on our blog soon.  Please let us know if you have anymore questions.  Thanks!"
Title: Re: YYF tops availability and design flaw
Post by: pplgrande on September 14, 2010, 05:21:49 AM
Very cool, looking forward to this spintop section, thanks for the update you all
Title: Re: YYF tops availability and design flaw
Post by: ta0 on September 14, 2010, 09:07:08 AM
are they good tops?
They are excellent tops, very high quality and performance. Unfortunately, the price is still too steep, in my opinion, specially if you are forced to buy the Throwback in the display box. And, who would want two display boxes? On the other hand, if somebody wants to sell a (used or new) red Throwback by itself, I am interested.
Title: Re: YYF tops availability and design flaw
Post by: Tomymoonly on September 14, 2010, 11:40:26 AM
"the display box" meaning?
Title: Re: YYF tops availability and design flaw
Post by: Larry D. on September 14, 2010, 12:13:13 PM
Tomymoonly,

Display box is:
Title: Re: YYF tops availability and design flaw
Post by: Trevor on September 14, 2010, 09:41:29 PM
ta0, u may consider burning the string to get it out, unless the top can be opened up to remove the string. just a thought.
Title: Re: YYF tops availability and design flaw
Post by: ta0 on September 14, 2010, 10:20:55 PM
Thanks for the advice but using surgical-style scissors and pliers I cut the knot and could pull out the string.

Title: Re: YYF tops availability and design flaw
Post by: the Earl of Whirl on September 15, 2010, 01:52:37 AM
I can't believe Jorge passed on the fire idea.  I know how much he likes flames coming from tops!
Title: Re: YYF tops availability and design flaw
Post by: Tomymoonly on September 15, 2010, 08:25:47 AM
Tomymoonly,

Display box is:

 the kind of collector box right? :D

Damned why all those brand make plastik tips... too much resistance with the skin, that's rly strange idéa...
Title: Re: YYF tops availability and design flaw
Post by: ta0 on September 15, 2010, 09:47:14 AM
YYF also made some aluminum replacement tips for both bearing and fixed play but I only know of Eric getting (a bunch of) them. Eric was modding them at worlds last year and giving them away.
Title: Re: YYF tops availability and design flaw
Post by: MrYo on September 15, 2010, 01:52:51 PM
My steel tip fits the shape?
Title: Re: YYF tops availability and design flaw
Post by: Neff on September 15, 2010, 05:28:13 PM
The bearing is the same size, and the diameter matches up pretty good where the top of the S8 tip would meet the aluminum.  Two bearings stack right on top of each other in the YYF tops, no space between, but the right size spacer and washer could make it work.  Problem is, you can't get the cap off, and the hole in the crown is too small to get a ratchet through to get the nut on  :'(
Title: Re: YYF tops availability and design flaw
Post by: poptop on September 16, 2010, 07:55:30 PM
Some things are prolly better left unsaid, but I'm gonna say it anyhow...

Bore that hole!

Anorexic Acrobat???

FWIW, I play my acrobats with the YYF aluminium tips (SQ and I got a few from Hans last year at Nats).  I like these better than any of the YYF plastic tips, but lately I've been dreaming of fitting them with Maurizio's steel tips.
Title: Re: YYF tops availability and design flaw
Post by: Java on September 18, 2010, 11:41:56 AM
Well, if we're saying stuff probably left unsaid.........
I love YYF. I really do. Not content to stay in their "Boutique Yoyo" niche, they are also making $20 to $30 yoyos that are amazing for their price range.
While modifying and replacing tips in a $10 Ripcord is fun, if I'm going to pay $100 for a toy that fits in the palm of my hand, and has no moving parts, I shouldn't have to change anything about it to get superior performance from it.
Now, if YYF were to make a Velocity/Grind Machine ($20 to $30) class top I would buy them by the dozen..........

Have Fun,
Tom
Title: Re: YYF tops availability and design flaw
Post by: poptop on September 18, 2010, 03:28:04 PM
I'm with you Java.  I love their stuff.  I can't play yo-yo to save my life, but I have "play" several YYF metals.  I too wish they would consider extending the "FundaMetal" concept or as you suggest the entry level class to spin tops. 

I think for a first attempt at a commercial tops YYF did a terrific job--function and form.  As a group, we are dead set on pushing spin top design further and further toward our "acrobatic" use, with or without the flow of new commercial products.  I think it's cool and inevitable that players can and will still find things to change/improve about our toys.  (it would be nice if they weren't so expensive--maybee we would experiment even more?)  Hopefully our tweaks don't fall on deaf ears.  It's obvious that Mr. Yo cares about player feedback, and I suspect if YYF were to make more tops, they'd be keen to incorporate player feedback too...I hope so.
Title: Re: YYF tops availability and design flaw
Post by: Neff on September 18, 2010, 04:14:54 PM
You'd have to ask Hayward exactly what what said, but when Hans saw the S8 he immediately renounced the quality of his own tops.
Title: Re: YYF tops availability and design flaw
Post by: MrYo on September 19, 2010, 02:46:39 AM
It's obvious that Mr. Yo cares about player feedback, and I suspect if YYF were to make more tops, they'd be keen to incorporate player feedback too...I hope so.

I care because I'm not a greath player (i can boomerang but no much more) and I can only sense how the top i made is working. I need feedback because i make the things i like, but i don't know if are the same for other people; i need feedback because my projects must be canalized and with your help i need less time and money to reach the goal :-)
Title: Re: YYF tops availability and design flaw
Post by: MrYo on September 19, 2010, 02:48:16 AM
You'd have to ask Hayward exactly what what said, but when Hans saw the S8 he immediately renounced the quality of his own tops.

This embarrass me
Title: Re: YYF tops availability and design flaw
Post by: Tomymoonly on September 24, 2010, 03:19:34 PM
What the hell? still nothing i m waiting to gave them 250 bucks and it's still not open -_' :'(
Title: Re: YYF tops availability and design flaw
Post by: Larry D. on September 24, 2010, 03:33:33 PM
Actually, I think they want dollars ($'s) not those large things with antlers.
Sorry, I couldn't resist  :-[

I am sure they are working as hard and as fast as they can to give us the opportunity to hand our money over to them.

We just need to be patient.
Title: Re: YYF tops availability and design flaw
Post by: MrYo on September 24, 2010, 03:40:28 PM
Maybe they are waiting some more exciting tops to sell...
Title: Re: YYF tops availability and design flaw
Post by: Tomymoonly on September 24, 2010, 03:46:26 PM
they should not... if they put first only the yyf they ll sell them all... if they put something better or balance and cheaper... yyf won't sell as good...