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Kirk

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QSH balance
« on: July 31, 2016, 11:37:12 PM »

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The first QSH tops I got are as well balanced as any delrin top.  The second batch I got (with the new tips) are a mixed bag of OK to shakers.
More testing needed but...  I removed the crown from my most shaky QSH bearing.  Learned to throw it. (lefty backhand point down-ish) It is as smooth as silk.
Preliminary conclusion.  The aluminum portion is is really great. The molded crown is not as consistent.  So any balance weight should be focused on the crown.
More testing needed


Well, I did more testing.  Each QSH that I spun without the cap was so smooth as to be silly. Furthermore all of the caps were out of balance in the same spot!   (differing amounts) So far they are all out about 120 degrees clockwise of the gate when viewed from above.
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My Balancing Procedure:
Be sure the tape is smooth with no overlaps or bumps.  Sometimes I use masking tape.

Spin the top in your hand
Touch it with a felt tip marker on the tape. (see blurry photo)
The spot of the mark is where to add weight.

For the QSH I can be sure that the cap is the problem.
So I add Gaffer tape to the outside of the cap just above the tape at the marked spot until the top is smoother.

Spin again an use a different color marker.
Add or subtract weight (gaffer tape) until the top is smooth. Rinse and repeat.

Now un-tape the top. Find the gate on the crown before separating the crown from the body.  The gate is where the plastic flows into the mold. In bright light you will see a blush or a haze and you can feel a bump or a dip with your fingernail. It is on the edge where the crown mates with the body.

Mark gate with a dot from a felt tip marker. - CAUTION - use only DVD safe markers.  Chemicals in regular markers will attack the plastic.  Mark the body also.  (With the QSH this may not be needed since the metal body is so consistent.)

Relocate the tape weights to the inside.

Reassemble with masking tape (only because it is really fast to do) and check.  Note: for small tops the difference in diameter from the outside to the inside is significant so you will need to add perhaps 20% more weight.  For the Trompo Grande and QSH size this is not as important (perhaps 5 or 10%)

2 wraps of 3M electrical tape to finish.
Do happy dance.
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Cheater procedure
open up the top
Add 3 layers of Gaffer Tape as shown in the other blurry photo (120 degrees from the gate CW from above, CCW as shown from below)
I guessed at 3 layers based on how shaky the top was.
Reassemble
Done
Do happy dance.
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Procedure for other tops
All molded plastic tops might have either or both pieces out of balance.
I put tape at the rim and tape in several sections near the point. 
Drop the top into a trapeze. This way the top is the most free to shake because your hand is not damping the vibration.
Chase the precessing top with a marker. (takes practice)
Mark the tape from the side not above or below for best results.
add weights as above.

Notes:
* Gaffer tape is like high quality duct tape
* Even it you use sticky tack with an open crown top the marked tape will give you the right location for the weights.
* Sometimes the marked  spot is a bit CCW (from above) of the place where the weight is needed.  I think this is because the pressure of marker affects the vibration. I need to try a really soft marker. Japanese top makers use a soft paint brush.
« Last Edit: July 31, 2016, 11:52:05 PM by Kirk »
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Re: QSH balance
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2016, 12:03:50 AM »

Very useful and detailed post, Kirk! Thanks!

I will be able to test your tops in a few days!
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Re: QSH balance
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2016, 07:18:41 AM »

Good!I will do with some of my cometa tops,but I do will gum:)
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Re: QSH balance
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2016, 09:50:00 AM »

wow thats very informative kirk, i think i might give this a whack  :)
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Re: QSH balance
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2016, 12:33:13 PM »

My QSH tops feel good, so I'm going to leave them alone for now. When I get better, I may find issues and want to experiment. Now I know exactly where to go and how to do it. Thanks!
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Re: QSH balance
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2016, 01:41:43 PM »

Well done Kirk, marking the spot definitely reduces the guesswork in a taped lid situation.
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Re: QSH balance
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2016, 11:10:41 PM »

Thanks for the info. Will be using it to balance my QS.
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Re: QSH balance
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2016, 01:21:58 AM »

Too bad I already balanced mine; that sounds like a clever way to do it.

On an unrelated note: why two wraps of electrical tape? It's not the first time I read this, but my QSH has been working just fine with a single wrap. Is it because there's more weight where the tape overlaps on a single wrap? Adhesive weaking over long periods of time?
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Re: QSH balance
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2016, 08:16:37 AM »

On an unrelated note: why two wraps of electrical tape?
It is mostly a habit. However with 2 wraps you can make the 2nd wrap go only 99% of the way around.  Then there is no gap and no lump.
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Re: QSH balance
« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2016, 09:40:02 AM »

On an unrelated note: why two wraps of electrical tape?
It is mostly a habit. However with 2 wraps you can make the 2nd wrap go only 99% of the way around.  Then there is no gap and no lump.

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Re: QSH balance
« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2016, 03:39:01 PM »

I noticed in your original post "new Tips". Did they change their C-Tips?  ???
If so, what is the difference?
Thanks.
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Re: QSH balance
« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2016, 01:32:51 AM »

The new tips have a new neck shape, which seems ok. The tip is quite blunt. So blunt That I can not spin the top well in my hand.
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Re: QSH balance
« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2016, 01:07:54 PM »

The new tips Hava a new neck shape, which seems ok. The tip is quite blunt. So blunt Tha I can not spin the top well in my hand.

Thanks Kirk. I went into the website and saw them. It is sad they changed them, one of my favorite things about those tips was how pointy they are.


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Re: QSH balance
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2016, 09:11:23 AM »

Thanks Kirk. I went into the website and saw them. It is sad they changed them, one of my favorite things about those tips was how pointy they are.
I spoke with Dale in Cleveland. He said he still has some of the older "C" tips.  To avoid confusion, he said to ask for "Mexican tips" since they were made in Mexico.  ScienceOfSpin.com still sells parts by phone & mail.
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