Thanks Jeremy and Tao. The line is 1/4 by 10 feet. I need a longer line to do the double body cork screw. Like 1/4 by 13 feet. So it's on it's way. I tried 3/16 line and the top would not come back, with many trys. Today I used a different 3/16 same name and everything and it worked? I'm so happy. I still can't get a stair way to HEAVEN. YET. I hope you come to the Bay Area some day - I have a lot of tops you can check out.