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jim in paris

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old painting
« on: November 27, 2013, 11:53:07 AM »

hello again


here is a painting i had not seen before, at the Victoria and Albert museum in the UK
every element is accurately present : the battle throw, the winding on the left,  the big scoop on the right ...


Painting by Richard Morton Paye, ca 1800

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Re: old painting
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2013, 12:23:44 PM »

Good find. My Dad was making his fighting tops about 80 years ago. If he was alive today I would blow his top of the planet.
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Re: old painting
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2013, 12:27:36 PM »

Beautiful painting, thank you very much for showing it
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Re: old painting
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2013, 05:53:49 PM »

that is
BEAUTIFUL !
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Re: old painting
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2013, 07:00:54 PM »

Very nice painting documenting top play!

I would like to see a higher resolution photograph, or at least the tops and the hold in more detail.

The V&A Museum of Childhood is in London (and has free admission): maybe somebody can visit and take pictures?

EDIT: It was auctioned in 2005 by Christie's London for $5,370, which was the record for this painter. I would have expected a higher price.
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Re: old painting
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2013, 09:54:10 PM »

Very nice, Jim.  You are amazing.
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Re: old painting
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2023, 06:45:10 PM »

Cuper found this 1745 painting by the Flemish painter Joseph Francis Nollekens:


Yale Center for British Art

Notice that the way the thrower holds the top suggest a very similar throw as a modern overhand throw!

The boys are believed to be the painter's sons Joseph (1737) and John Joseph (1735).
Joseph, who appears to be prepared to scoop the top spinning on the ground, became one of the most famous sculptors in England.

We already discussed this other painting by the same artist and the same year:



They are probably his son James (1741) and daughter Maria Joanna Sophia (1739).
So only his fifth child who was born that year is missing. Unfortunately, they lost their father 3 years later.
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Re: old painting
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2023, 07:06:01 PM »

Cuper also found this beautiful portrait of a boy with a top started with a launcher (probably a humming top):



The artist is either Sir John Hoppner or somebody from his circle. The boy is William Henry West Betty (1791-1874) who became a famous actor at a young age.
So the painting is circa 1798.

According to this reference, wealthy young boys used that kind of garment (a "skeleton") from around 1790 to the late 1820s (before and after they used dresses).
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Re: old painting
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2023, 08:06:49 AM »

I like the picture and the top.  Very cool!!!  This thread reminds me of how we have not heard from Cecil or Richie for a long time.
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